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https://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=331012690034
Have you tryed some other cheaper ones. Can get hold of a fair few flip-front full face helmets with internal visors etc for as little as 50-60.
Never noticed much difference between 50 pound helmets and 200 pound ones. Its just random roulette as to the best fitting ones for your head and which can be a bit worse with wind noise.
If you have 2000 to spend on a featherlight carbon helmet thats probably better  but otherwise id save a lot of the money and go for some of the cheaper ones. Lot of petrol can be bought with the difference  |
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| Posted: 03:40 - 26 Dec 2013 Post subject: |
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I have an older model Caberg flip front. Fits well 
The visor does mist up a bit on cold days, mainly when going slow.
Not very quiet, wind noise gets very loud so ear plugs are recommended on higher speed longer journeys.
Wish the sun visor came down just a tad bit more, but it does come in hand.
I'd still buy another one, unless I have an off and it doesn't do too well. |
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Posted: 10:14 - 26 Dec 2013  Post subject: Re: Caberg Modus |
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| Roxyy wrote: | The Caberg one has 5 star sharp rating. |
The Modus hasn't been SHARP tested yet.
I tried on a Konda, it was a big, heavy thing and the Modus is even heavier.
In the event, I went for a Nitro F341-VN which was under half the price with all the same features. 3* SHARP, because of poorer side impact protection like most flips - including the Shoei Multitec - but a decent 90% chinguard retention, better than the Multitec. Price buys lightness and comfort, not necessarily safety.
I love flips now, but there is a compromise being made. You can get a safer, lighter helmet for less money if you aren't totally married to the idea.
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I've had a Justissimo and Konda. Both were fine for what they were, fairly heavy though. Neither had leaking issues with the visor, and both held up well in crashes, including a side-on with a u-turning car, surfing off the bonnet and face-first into the road. They both provided decent protection for the neck when riding into rain, too, something I can't say about my much more expensive Schuberth C3.
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| -Matt- wrote: | Thats always been my opinion with helmets. Even with higher ratings, in a real world accident theres so many unpredictable factors, it doesn't really make you much better off I don't think. |
Your only safe as long as you don't crash, after that its in the lap of the gods, and test results and ratings merely tell you how well a helmet copes with testing... which may or may not be a very good indication of how much less hurt to your head it might cause in a real off.
Years and years back, there was a prejudice against Type-B approved helmets; as folk reckoned, and many still do, that type A approved helmets that passed a higher impact force and which were required for racing must be 'safer'.
In independent testing, though, was shown that the softer more deformable shell of a type-b approved helmet, would often spread impact load across a wider area of the impact absorbing foam, and while they might break under a lower force, they could absorb more impact energy before they did, which depending on scenario, could mean they were ore likely to save more hurt than harder hat.
Tests have got a bit more acute these days, but they are still more often measuring how much force a hat will take before it 'fails' than they are caluculating how much less impact energy it lets get transmitted to your bonce.
| -Matt- wrote: | So long as its approved to the basic standards, its no less guaranteed to keep you safe than any other approved helmet. Hit your helmet hard enough and you'll get brain injury regardless of how much it cost or how high a rating it has. Impact or scrape it along the ground hard/long enough and it will break apart/open faces may come open. |
Absolutely... tarmac & trees tend not to read the buyers guides or be impressed by the ratings!
| -Matt- wrote: | I avoid wearing open faces unless I have to because of that, seems to be a fair few tales of scraped chins on the internet  |
People scrape thier chins on the internet? How do they do that! 
More seriously; each to thier own. I actually quite like my open-face. Scraped faces is only an issue if you crash after all; rest of the time? Its light, only 2/3 the weight of my Shark. fits in top box more easily. Has a wider unobstructed field of view; while the wind in the face... (plus the turbulance over the peak) is a real 'in your face' reminder to keep the speeds sensible!
People react differently too you in an open face lid, as well. On or off the bike. They can see your face, and like Petrol-station attitudes, seem to feel less threatened by you, so tend to be 'nicer'; I'm sure that being able to recognise a 'face' actually helps them 'see' you more easily too.
Back to balance of risks and what makes you 'safe'. Open face hats might lack a bit of plastic that might save some hurt if you fall off, but they have a bit in their favour that might mitigate the risks of it getting that far.
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| Posted: 17:44 - 26 Dec 2013 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I must admit although I tend to try stick with full faces when possible, thats for generally A-B, or aimlessly riding about for enjoyment, if I was on and off the bike as a courier or anything similar I would probably accept the possible additional risk and just use a flip face for convenience.
Might just be the few i've worn, but I tend to find they also feel like they get buffered by wind a fair bit more due to often being a little wider and bulkier at the front end, so although its lighter it actually feels 'heavy' once going at some speed, and the wind whistling on some of them can be a PITA 
What does make me shudder is people that ride around with them flipped up. Going down with a giant lump sticking up out your helmet is asking for a snapped neck I'd rather wear a tin-pot helmet than have one of those flipped open when riding.
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| Posted: 18:50 - 26 Dec 2013 Post subject: |
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I often flip mine up in car parks and other very low speed situations. I think the extra visibility and reminder of vulnerability (to myself and others) is worth it.
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| Posted: 02:35 - 27 Dec 2013 Post subject: |
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| -Matt- wrote: | What does make me shudder is people that ride around with them flipped up. Going down with a giant lump sticking up out your helmet is asking for a snapped neck I'd rather wear a tin-pot helmet than have one of those flipped open when riding. |
Ah! Well thats where my flip actually works as a 2 in 1 hat, rather than a compromise with all the down-sides of either, with afew of its own to boot!
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/000_A_Misc/imag2493.jpg
Full-Face
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Shark Evo; the chin-piece flips right round the back and is faired in, so it don't act like a wind-brake if you ride with it open.
Snowie bought it for me for my birthday, and I DO like it.
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/000_A_Misc/medscaleArashi-Daviso-Plain-Open-Face-Motorcycle-Helmet-White-1.jpg
That's my current 'open'. I think it was something stupid cheap like £20. Does the job. No great loss if it gets bashed; makes good 'spare' or pillion hat. Traditional design, I got it when I was restoring the old DT as it sort of fitted the style, and my old open was getting a bit tired.
I find it comfy enough at town speeds, and up to about 50, with a pair of sun-spex under. Over that does get a bit buffety and you have to nod a tad to get the wind going over the peak, but by then winds making my eyes stream any way... time to back off!
The Shark is 'nice', it doesn't suffer peak-lift, and the visor will still drop, even in 'open'. Great on a cold and or wet day, without the chin-guard, you can drop the visor and it doesn't steam up; and you have that bit of protection against rain in the eyes. It really does 'work' and deliver best of both worlds, though it IS heavy, and balance in the open position takes a bit of getting used to.
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Thats a brilliant design. Will definately look at one of those once the price dips into the lower 100s |
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| Posted: 03:58 - 27 Dec 2013 Post subject: |
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| -Matt- wrote: | Thats a brilliant design. Will definately look at one of those once the price dips into the lower 100s |
I'd looked at them in J&S when I picked up the white open-face and was impressed. We'd both tried them on and liked the fit; but not the £300 price tag! And for miles I do, couldn't justify spending that much.
One of the instructors over at Hinkley, when Snowie was doing her road-training, had one told her he got it as 'discontinued stock' for about £150 or something; they apparently updated the design to the Evo II or something with some mods to the fighter-pilot drop down or something. She went on line, and confident they would fit, got, basically two for the price of one! Or that's what she told me! But I really dont think she could have found £600 for two hats, when she was still on the dole! So she may have massaged the numbers a bit, bit not far off.
I dont know whether any-one has discontinued EVO I's still knocking about, if they do they'll be over two years old by now, so if they DO could be a very good price; but of not, chance they may have introduced an EVO III or something by now and be discontinuing the II's or at very least be shifting last years colour schemes at discount.
My only real critasism of the Shark, the chin piece flips over very easily, and its on a one button release in middle of the chin. BUT to switch between positions, you have to lift the visor at least one notch first, as it seals 'over' lip of the chin, so has to be out of the way to lift or close the chin. Chin also has to be pulled back into the hat after swinging to 'lock' which can mean giving yourself a slight tap on the chin-piece, but no real hassle and can be done in one swift movement, whilst on the move.
Its certainly less orgami-map faff than some of the flips the instructors used to have when I was instructing, who used to get into a right tangle, trying to get them to open of shut or on and off, with gloves, taking more time to shut themselves in before riding off, than took me to put plain open face on!
Other gripe, apparently addressed in one of the mods on the EVO II; I don't bother with the fighter-pilot sun-shield. You have to fiddle with a slider on the top of the hat to make it come down, and I find it just doesn't come down low enough unless I tilt my head forwards.. but then I ride upright, on upright bikes; If I was on something more sporty, more in the jokey position, probably work great.
Other wise, very nice hat, that does offer a good compromise of best of both-worlds.
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