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Hi everyone, Im new to the forum so hello to everyone
My question is im 17 and wanting to pass my motorcycle test(already have my C.B.T) but wondering as it says
17 can pass test but stay on 125 but without L plates until 19 when the next test is available
so the question is if I take my test when im 17 on a 125 will it automatically upgrade when im 19 so i can ride upto a 500cc?
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| Posted: 20:35 - 28 Dec 2013 Post subject: |
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No, you have to take your tests again on a bigger big.
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If you test on a 125, now, you only get awarded the A1 - 125 only entitlement, BUT, many very good reasons to go have a crack at it, rather than potter about on L's for the next to years, even if you do have to test-over on a bigger bike later.
First; CBT is only valid for two years; if you spend those two years on L's, then come time to do A2 tests, chances are you will have to repeat CBT before you can take tests to renew your provisional entitlement.
Tests, self-booked, taken on your own 125, cost £15 for Mod 1, and £75 for Mod 2; give or take, close enough what you would have to spend to do that repeat CBT. You can look on A1 as a 'once and forever' CBT cert, for price of one CBT repeat.
You have to do your motorcycle Theory/Hazard test, before testing for A1 or A2, or DAS, but you dont have to do it twice.
If you have passed A1, before doing A2, its nailed down early, and gives you clear run, for A2 or DAS, which are just a repeat of the same tests you did for A1, just on a bigger bike.
Having passed them once for A1, then you should be pretty confident that you can pass on larger bike; so come booking training, ought not need so much expensive training, and come test? Well, examiner sees already qualified and 'sensible' lad who'se actually bothered to do A1 test, and passed them; so a few brownie points before you begin.
Next up; Probably may or may not make much difference to young rider insurance premiums; but what the heck; ticking the box for a full licence cant do any harm, and on a high teen premium, if there is a saving, probably one worth having.
We then get to the New Drivers Act; Rather than merely 'disqualifying' you from driving or riding, if you clock up too many penalty points; they 'Revoke' you, and they do it for six points instead of twelve. If I 'lost' my licence, I would be banned for however long they told me, from driving a car or riding a bike, but after that, I could get all the groups and entitlements I had on my licence before ban, taking an 'extended retest' they assume for a car... but since I hold the catagory for a moped, I COULD choose to do one on one of them, and get back ALL the entitlements I had for it; where New Driver, for half points has his licence ripped up and shredded, and has to start from a new provisional, all over to do all groups over.
With that hanging over you? Well, they start the clock as soon as you gain a full UK licence... could be for a moped or a tractor, at 16 years old, don't matter, that's when they start the clock on your two year probation.
Would make a lot of sense to me, at least, to get that clock counting down in your favour, while you are only allowed to ride a 125, less likely to get you intro trouble, than spend two years on that tiddler, before getting the clock counting, when you get a licence for a 500, likely to get you into trouble at least twice as quick, no?
Motorways and Pillions? Well, no great shakes, and you probably wont want to carry a passenger on a lightweight very often; or try battling the blitzen-bimmers on the three-lane, either; BUT nice to know you could.
BEST thing, though, regardless of any of these variouse merits of doing your A1 test ahead of being eligible for A2.....
You get to ditch the fucking L-Plates! THAT alone is worth it.
But; rest of it? All have advantages over sitting around for two years doing bog all but moan you cant have anything more exiting, with an L-Plate hanging off your bum, and can actually help you get that A2 licence for a 500 more easily, when time comes.
Here you go:- https://www.gov.uk/book-a-driving-theory-test
Book motorcycle test on line with some of your Christmas Money, before getting carried away in the sales. Its £31, and puts you 1/3 the way there.
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Just to add something to Tef's post... a theory test pass only lasts for 2 years so only do it if your gonna follow through on your practical tests. You don't want to be in the situation where you pass mod 1, then your theory test expires, as I believe it means you'll have to re-do mod 1 again.
Personally I'd rather do my A1 license than re-do my CBT, but I wouldn't want to do 3 sets of tests, which is what you'll have to do if you eventually want a full A license.
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| MC wrote: | Just to add something to Tef's post... a theory test pass only lasts for 2 years so only do it if your gonna follow through on your practical tests. You don't want to be in the situation where you pass mod 1, then your theory test expires, as I believe it means you'll have to re-do mod 1 again. |
- Theory/Hazard pass is valid for two years.
- Mod 1 Pass cert is valid until the expiry date of the Theory Cert that was in force when Mod 1 was passed.
So, yes, if you took & passes your Mod 1 a week before your Theory expired, then couldn't get a Mod 2 date until three days after your Theory expired, you wouldn't be able to do your Mod 2, as both Theory, & Mod 1 would expire before you could complete all tests, and you'd have to start over.
However, Mod 1 id £15 and you'd have to re-do Theory anyway, so probably lesser worry, than letting Theory run out.
I didn't mention it in prev-post though, but 17 year old, fresh off the games-console, and not yet acclimatised to real road hazards, still used to being given a book to read at school, then answering questions teacher puts in quiz; is SO much better prepared to pass the Theory/Hazard than an old duffer like me! He REALLY is!
That test is designed to a GCSE level, and is so 'Play-station' dissociated from the real world, longer you leave it, harder it becomes!
| MC wrote: | Personally I'd rather do my A1 license than re-do my CBT, but I wouldn't want to do 3 sets of tests, which is what you'll have to do if you eventually want a full A license. |
Yeah, sort of, but, you don't have to do the full suite three times over, and as said, doing Mod 1 & 2 for A1, costs more or less the same as one repeat CBT; Once done, you dont have to do another CBT to keep riding, or take the later tests; nor do you have to do the motorcycle theory over.
A2 and DAS need to be tested for on larger displacement machine; generally demanding a relatively expensive course; typically £600-£1200.
But you don't HAVE to do the tests three times over, to get unrestricted A, just wait until you are 24 and do DAS.
Following the stages; its actually A2, that is the one that is of more questionable 'worth'.
If you are going to potter about, limited to a 15bhp 125; might as well do it on A1 as CBT, as self booked and testing on bike you are going to potter about on, its merely the cost of a single repeat CBT, for the two mods.
You can then wait it out, until you are 24, to do DAS, and still be a couple of steps ahead; not having to worry about doing Theory first, or your CBT expiring; as well knowing the ropes having done the tests once on the 125.
A2, begs the costs of a DAS course, but doesn't give you a Full A for it; Yes, lets you have 'more' than a 125, and gives you the possibility to do DAS before you are 24, if you pass before you are 22; but you still have to cough up the costs of another course to do DAS, to get the 'rest' of the entitlement you want.
If you are going to 'skip' a stage, then, A2 would be the one least worth doing, cost/hassle/reward.
A1? It don't give big privileges, but, it's not a lot of money or hassle. Under 24's are lumbered with this three tier system, and if they want to get on bigger bikes in a hurry, it just has to be fought through; but A1? even for over 24's, who could do DAS? Viewed as a 'once and forever CBT', its a pretty good and worth-while stepping stone, out of 'L'.
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | So, yes, if you took & passes your Mod 1 a week before your Theory expired, then couldn't get a Mod 2 date until three days after your Theory expired, you wouldn't be able to do your Mod 2, as both Theory, & Mod 1 would expire before you could complete all tests, and you'd have to start over. |
The scenario I was envisaging was if the OP did their theory test, then in just under a couple of years time started A2 training, an oversight such as not realising your theory test was about to expire could cost you £150 (or however much the school charges for a re-test). Obviously if you only lost a A1 mod 1 pass it wouldn't be the end of the world.
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | If you are going to 'skip' a stage, then, A2 would be the one least worth doing, cost/hassle/reward. |
It allows you access to bigger bikes, results in being able to get a full license earlier, and comes a hell of a lot earlier than waiting 'til your 24 (which if your 17 probably seems a lifetime away).
Also you have to consider how many attempts it'll take you to pass your A1 tests. If it takes 2 or 3 attempts at mod 1, and 2 attempts at mod 2, your looking at over £200. Your not gonna see that back in reduced insurance premiums.
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MC.. I know where you are coming from, but....
| MC wrote: | The scenario I was envisaging was if the OP did their theory test, then in just under a couple of years time started A2 training, an oversight such as not realising your theory test was about to expire could cost you £150 (or however much the school charges for a re-test). Obviously if you only lost a A1 mod 1 pass it wouldn't be the end of the world. |
Yup; there's variouse scenario's; but lets look at this possible 'over-sight'; you forget how long you have left on your theory ticket, or you under-estimate how much time it will take you to secure it, passing tests. Yeah, to err is human, but if its been almost two years since you took your thoery... you ought to know you are taking a chance before you begin, and you are ramping your stakes, chancing it, putting cost of A2 course on that outside chance, just to save a £30 test fee, aren't you?
| MC wrote: | | Teflon-Mike wrote: | If you are going to 'skip' a stage, then, A2 would be the one least worth doing, cost/hassle/reward. |
It allows you access to bigger bikes, results in being able to get a full license earlier, and comes a hell of a lot earlier than waiting 'til your 24 (which if your 17 probably seems a lifetime away). |
Yes it does, and I observed those two benefits. But they are the only two benefits, and they are expensive benefits.
Half the benefit of A2 is paying to do a DAS course, that doesn't give you an unrestricted DAS licence; but makes you eligible to pay for another DAS course, possibly three years early, after waiting two years! Its not exactly a high reward vs cost thing to do, so the one least worth doing.
And the actual scenario here, is that you have a 125, with L's, and rather than riding around on L's for a couple of years, waiting to be old enough to do A2 tests; you self book and do mods on that 125 for test fees and a few pennies in petrol.
| MC wrote: | you have to consider how many attempts it'll take you to pass your A1 tests. |
The tests aren't all THAT demanding; bottom line is, all they want you do do is ride for about twenty five minutes, on something akin to a typical daily commute through and round town; not fall off; break any road-laws or put any-one in danger.
If you are riding a 125 on L's to and from college every day... its what you are doing every day anyway, and if you cant do it to the examiners satisfaction; then you are doing something wrong.
Doing it wrong, five days a week, umpety weeks a year, pottering about on L's avoiding the tests.. how you going to find out what it is you are doing wrong? Well.... this is why L-Platers have the highest accident stats, really, isn't it?
So, if you are worried about how many times it will take you to pass a test.... why aren't you MORE worried about how likely you are to crash going to college?
Cost of even a minor 'off' can easily be the cost of test fees! Scuffed exhaust, broken leavers, bent handlebars. Might 'fix' some of that damage fairly cheaply; Bend the bars back, fit a £10 lever and polish the exhaust, but costs still there in what that residual damage takes off the bikes re-sale value.... and that's just the ecconomics of a minor off!. Being laid up wrapped in cling-film with a bad case of road rash, or limbs in plaster, in pain and barely able to move... not nice, not nice at all.
You fail A1 tests; SO WHAT? You have spent £15 if its a Mod 1, £75 if its a Mod 2. Other than that? Your no worse off than you were before you did it! You still got a bike; you still got all your arms and legs; you can still do everything you did before. Might be a bit glum for a day or two; but other than that? You haven't lost anything.
Look at the up-side. Examiner rips off his check-sheet and goes through it with you and tells you WHY you failed, and what to put right for next time. No limit to number of times you can go test, remember, its not like you have missed your one and only chance to get a full licence; So ACTUALLY you are better off, than you were, as you now KNOW what was wrong with your riding, and can put it right, and pass next time round.
Ecconomically, you are out of pocket ONLY by the test fee; but, you are better off by whatever hint examiner gives you for whay you failed, that may help you NOT CRASH!!! And its THAT that is what its supposed to all be about! Its a 'Lesson' and a pretty cheap one in the scheme of things.
Its just rather hard to tally the costs of crashes you dont have; rather easier to tally the cost of tests you pay for! To wit; your valuing the tests agianst the wrong thing.
| MC wrote: | If it takes 2 or 3 attempts at mod 1, and 2 attempts at mod 2, your looking at over £200. Your not gonna see that back in reduced insurance premiums. |
You are looking at 'around' £750ish to do an A2 course. BIG chunk of cash to find in one go, and there's STILL no grantee it will get you a licence!
And if you couldn't do it on a 125? Your chances aren't THAT much greatly improved you'll be able to do it 1st time on a 500.
If it took you two or three attempts to pass A1 tests, on a bike you are every day familiar with, and comfy and confident enough you book the tests... yet still fail.?
How many times it going to take you to crack them same tests on a bigger bike, you have even less saddle hours on, and are even less familiar and comfy riding... which ISN'T your own bike, and you are probably paying something like an extra £80 JUST to be using for the test?
You are trying to find reasons to justify NOT spending a very small amount of money, £90, to have a crack at those tests; and get the quite useful benefits it may offer, and then trying to justify spending an awful LOT of money, circa £750 to make it harder for yourself to do them, for a couple of benefits that, yeah, probably DO look quite useful, but?
But, its not an either or choice; nothing stopping any-one doing all, or none of the tests; Bike licences (unfortunately) aren't mandatory.
If the benefit of 45bhp restricted licence, and possible early DAS is worth the money to you, no reason you shouldn't do it.
That, however doesn't diminish the immediate advantages that can be had for pretty small money, going for your A1 licence, that whether your 17 or 70 can still be bludy economical 'stepping-stone' towards higher groups; if NOT an end in itself.
Ecconomics, only one of the merits it can be weighed on, in which it STILL offers a lot for the money, compared to A2, which doesn't offer any where near as much real 'added value' for the hugely higher money you're likely to have to stick on the table to do it.
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Doing it wrong, five days a week, umpety weeks a year, pottering about on L's avoiding the tests.. how you going to find out what it is you are doing wrong? Well.... this is why L-Platers have the highest accident stats, really, isn't it? |
Is it? How many crashes are attributed to rider error? From what I've read there are (nearly) just as many middle-aged bikers dying. Funny how when I googled "motorcycle stats crash L plates" your site was the second result, so your either onto something no one else realises, or there isn't any evidence to backup your claims. The first result was an article on scooters btw 
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | You are looking at 'around' £750ish to do an A2 course. BIG chunk of cash to find in one go, and there's STILL no grantee it will get you a licence! |
That's the top end of the prices, I've seen them under £500 but yeah it's still a lot of money. But it's worth it IMO not to spend 7 years on a 125, f**k me 7 months is a long time on a 125.
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| MC wrote: | Funny how when I googled "motorcycle stats crash L plates" your site was the second result, so your either onto something no one else realises, or there isn't any evidence to backup your claims. |
Seriously? Never thought the thing would have had that high a google ranking! I got my figures from .gov stats... they hide them in even more words than I do though! 
You're sort of right about about 'serious' accidents, most likely to get themselves Killed or Seriously Injured are DAS newbies in their first three years on big-bikes, and returnees with a riding gap of more than five years; both of whom tend to be in the over 30's age group, and more often older.
But most accidents aren't 'serious'; KSI criteria is that a person is killed outright, or suffers injury that requires 'long term hospitalisation' (I think they deem that over six weeks or something); or permanent or long term disability.
By far and away, largest number of 'recorded' accidents are deemed 'minor' and require no more than a wound dressing in A&E, and an insurance claim to be settled. (Can Still bludy hurt though!)
And of those; L-Platers are far more numerous; and worryingly; probably hugely under represented in the 'recorded' stats, which generally come from police reports, hospital admissions and insurance claims.
On 125's, often with lower values, and probably on 3rd Party Only insurance; unless they hit some-one else and have a claim made against them; probably aren't going to get their 'off' recorded. How often do we have SMIDSY reports on here, vs how often we get 'Slid off on Round-About'? And how many dust themselves off and never say a word to any-one!
| MC wrote: | How many crashes are attributed to rider error? |
Very broad question.
Without going back to stats to check, though, I think its about half are 'single vehicle accidents'; which largely are going to be the rider just cocking up. There aren't that many freak circumstances that can make you just crash without any fault on your own part. But again, very likely that as a rider fucking up and falling off all on thier own, hurts no-one else, no insurance claim will be made or police report filed, and that these are significantly under represented in the statistics.
Remainder? Loads and loads and loads of SMIDSY's; usually in urban enviroments. An awful lot of them, ARE significantly 'the other fellas fault'... not all, but a lot; yet, even where it is clear cut, the other fellas fault, its rarely 100% black and white, and totally unavoidable that the rider went down; and far too often, they could have done a lot more to help themselves avoid the situation, in the face of 'blind' car-drivers.
But, all pretty skew to the debate; a bit of paper in your pocket, that says you have passed the tests, doesn't give you some mystical force-field SMIDSY shield; and certainly doesn't make you, instantly an expert rider...
Tests merely screen out less competent riders, and give you a bit of paper that says you have been screened and deemed competent enough, by an independent body, working to a fixed standard, and that is assurance you are one of the ones LESS likely to crash.
You might be totally convinced you all ready are, without going for tests; but who knows? Notion remains untested, doesn't it? And if you are that convinced, what the heck? £90 answers the question definitively. If not? Well, tells you were your faults may be, hopefully before school of hard knocks does with a hard knock!
| MC wrote: | | Teflon-Mike wrote: | You are looking at 'around' £750ish to do an A2 course. BIG chunk of cash to find in one go, and there's STILL no grantee it will get you a licence! |
That's the top end of the prices, I've seen them under £500 but yeah it's still a lot of money. But it's worth it IMO not to spend 7 years on a 125, f**k me 7 months is a long time on a 125. |
I took a ball-park figure. I am suspiciouse of lower priced course fees; buy cheap, buy twice, kind of thinking; But, we're agreed, that its a pretty hefty difference from doing A1 tests on your own bike, which can be as cheap as a repeat CBT, which was the original point.
And some-what immaterial to whether doing A1 tests is worth while; as its not an either or choice. You dont have to do A1, you dont have to Do A2. You can do one, and not the other, or you can do both.
Question was whether A1, on its OWN was worth anything; and as a 'once and forever CBT' with a few added benefits, for the price of one repeat CBT; course it is.
| MC wrote: | But it's worth it IMO not to spend 7 years on a 125, f**k me 7 months is a long time on a 125. |
Yup; you are displaying a very common logic; which suggests that tests should be to get you a 'Big-Bike-Licence', therfore reason for testing is so you can ride a bigger bike.
Its not. Reason for testing is to screen out less competant riders, and you get a 'full' licence for doing them. New tiered system does split it into power banded catagories; re-inforcing that idea, but the top slot full unrestricted A-Group is merely a 'ride what you like' licence. That dont HAVE to be something with more than 580cc of displacement and more than 90bhp peak power!
Many, even if its not all they are allowed to ride by thier licence entitlement, can apreciate, and even enjoy lightweights for the other stuff they DO offer, other than shear performance; particularly low running costs.
Yup; as a teenager, with the impetuosity of youth, it can be frustrating, I agree. I did it whey back when, as a Student and a 125 was about all I could afford to insure on my grant cheque, regardless of what my licence allowed; but better a bike I could afford to run, and go places on, than one sat outside with no petrol in it and a bald tyre!
Might seem unfair, and mean and miserable; that way-back when folk like me only had to wobble round the block on a C90 at 17 to get a full ride what you like licence, straight away; but shit happens; deal with it! Every generation is frustrated by something. We had the Sinclair Spectrum, keeping us poised over portable TV screens waiting for 'load-prompts' to play low resolution games that took hours to load from audio cassette; and had to ask Dad nicely to use the telephone, in the hall, after six o'clock, to call our mates, with mum, listening behind the dining room door, incase we were calling a girl! Amongst other things!
So! Under new rules; 2 years allowed no more than an L-Plate eligible 125, may seem to suck... but if you want a bike at 17, that's all you're are allowed, so suck it up and make the most of it.
You cant get a licence for a bigger higher performance bike; so make the most of what you CAN have; enjoy that tiddler for what it CAN do for you, like deliver a lot of miles and many smiles for not many a penny, and do your A1, if for no other reason its something that 125 CAN do, and satisfaction of knowing you have made that cut and are a reasonable rider, and dont have to display an L-Plate, or ever do another CBT.
It is a head start towards doing A2 after IF you think that test set is worth it, at 19. It only costs the sort of money a repeat CBT course you would probably have to do anyway does; and that two year NDA probation has wasted away, while you are on lower performance bike, less likely to get you the points that don't earn prizes!
And getting on and doing 'something'; rather than being frustrated by everything you cant have and cant do 'marking time' until your 19th birthday, you are 'filling time' doing something useful. Might not give you what you really want; but that dont mean its not still useful; or even not useful to getting what you want. It is. And its a vent for some of that frustration, actually achieving something along the way... slightly different view point, slightly different attitudes, dwelling on the possitives rather than the negatives... and if anything THAT is what will carry some-one more readily and successfuly out of 'L' into A2 and Full A. The mind set of making the most of, getting on and doing, 'something'.
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WRT to Theory tests,
the government site https://www.gov.uk/book-practical-driving-test
says:
When you don’t need a theory test
You don’t need to take a theory test if you’re taking a:
taxi test
tractor test
test to upgrade from automatic to manual
test to progress through the bike categories (progressive access)
car and trailer test
lorry and trailer test
bus and trailer test
large lorry test and you’ve already got a medium lorry licence
large bus test and you’ve already got a medium bus licence
So if you have an A1 licence, and are going for either A2 or full A, no need to resit theory even if its 2 years since you passed it last |
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Without going back to stats to check, though, I think its about half are 'single vehicle accidents'; which largely are going to be the rider just cocking up. |
These are just one set of stats, I assume like most things there will be different stats proving different points of view, but...
Casualty age and crash types:
A study (Clarke et al 2004) has indicated that there are 2 clear peaks in casualty age (21-25 & 31-35) and that there are 3 basic discernable motorcycle crash types:
- Right of way violation accidents (38% of cases)
- Loss of control at bends at speed (11% plus of cases)
- Overtaking/filtering accidents (15% of cases)
Clarke et al found that road users other than the injured motorcyclists are usually the cause of crashes and therefore road safety initiatives should be targeted at those other road users in addition to bikers.
I would also say of the threads we have on here, generally the binned my bike ones end up in light damage and mainly damaged pride, the SMIDSY's tend to be followed by graphic images and/or bikes written off.
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | I took a ball-park figure. I am suspiciouse of lower priced course fees; buy cheap, buy twice, kind of thinking |
There can be that kind of difference with the same school, just depending on course length. You hope with 125 experience you'd be looking at doing the shorter 2-3 (rather than 4-5) day courses.
| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Yup; you are displaying a very common logic; which suggests that tests should be to get you a 'Big-Bike-Licence', therfore reason for testing is so you can ride a bigger bike. |
That comment was mainly referring to the idea of not doing your A2 license, and waiting until your 24. I think if your 22-23 then it's worth waiting, but any younger less so. But generally the people who were OK with riding 125's kept on re-doing their CBT, and those going for their tests were moving onto bigger bikes. The new license system hasn't changed that.
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I'm so glad I didn't ride through this new mad deranged system of licence gaining.
But the old start on a 125cc pass test and ride up to 33bhp for 2years would have suited me and been perfectly acceptable, but I already had the DAS funds saved up, if not the insurance premiums for the kinds of bikes I wanted to ride afterwards, hence having 33bhp bikes for a while.
If I were caught in this new system, then I wanted to get test passed at 17 and enjoy a nice 125cc for as long as possible, probably while also getting into cars, as waiting until 24 for a full un-restricted license would not be so bad then.
I'm too stubborn to comply with jumping through a hoop every 2years to get a progressively better licence and paying 3sets of test fees though!
I expect the young determined die hard wanna be life long biker will just knuckle down and go though the system if that's what they want, and some young guys might do this.
The vast majority will use the new system to get a licence and a means of cheap transport until they can afford to get into a car and drive instead I feel though!
Some (a few) will pass a test at 17 maybe and think fuck this, I've paid for and sat theory tests, and practical tests to say I have a licence and no need for L-plates, and will decide to ride whatever they want not in accordance with their licence though.
Will a 3tier system make for safer roads? Not a chance IMO! |
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