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PostPosted: 11:16 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Dual Ratio Sprocket MK2 - Crazy genius skills. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 11:54 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

if he gets that working reliable.... it will sell.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess he has some epicyclic gears in the hub somewhere, very clever bit of design, that bloke seems to be a nutter though.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I recall, the racing Honda 50's of the 1960's era had the same idea. Eight speed gearbox with a hub change to give sixteen speeds in all. That was purely mechanical and obviously worked well enough to get Honda the title. Whether it was capable of coping with really high power outputs is another matter.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone explain whats happening here please.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The concept is not new, just crack open your battery drill gearbox and find the epicyclic gear set inside. The implementation however is very nicely done.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

moppy wrote:
Someone explain whats happening here please.


Google epicyclic gears. At first he has the hub of the sprocket carrier locked to the wheel hub so that it drives it direct and the gears don't spin. By pulling out the locking piece he disengages that hub and engages a geartrain that provides a 2:1 reduction right inside the hub. That aluminium block on the end of the swingarm is under considerable stress when the reduction box is in use.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A nice execution, but adds weight at about the worst place you can for handling.

I was hoping it'd be on the output shaft - but that'd be rather tight.

Concept is nothing new, as above - similar systems in electric hub motors, though rarely with the option to change gear.
Also seen the same in unicycles, so you can have a fast unicycle without a big wheel or chains.

There's a few bikes that add a second two stage gearbox between the output shaft and the rear wheel - like the ct110 'postie'.
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have a simpler and much more durable idea for use on single speed mountain bikes. Although not quite as quick on the changeover. It's to allow you to ride your bike out to the trail on higher gearing then go mess about on the rough stuff on lower gearing.

Yerv simple. Dual sprockets. You have two front and two rear sprockets. You ride out on the bigger front and smaller rear sprocket then when you get there, you loosen the rear wheel and move the chain onto the smaller front and larger rear. They are geared in such a way as they use the same number of chain links.

It's made by white insucstries and is called a "double-double" chainset. I'd imagine the idea would translate onto a motorcycle fairly simply without any major engineering.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't this just a stronger Sturmey Archer hub gear?
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sturmey Archer have been making planetary gear hubs for a long time. Basic, simple and very effective.

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PostPosted: 13:44 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Dual sprockets.

I'd wondered about something like this for my KTM; but if going to that hassle it'd be better just to get someone to make me a lower first and higher top gear for the existing gearbox.
Not many cases when you really should 'need' more gears for a motorcycle - serious stunting where you also want to get home in comfort, maybe.

On my CRM125 I got a +10 rear for it - I just kept too chains to swap over. Though one of those chains was made up of three separate chains I had lying around!
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

_Iain_ wrote:
The only issue I can see with that setup on the bike in question is that the guys designed it for a stunt bike setup.

The difference in chain links required between a standard 45ish tooth sprocket & a 70, or even 80 tooth stunt sprocket would be insane. I seriously doubt you'd be able to even adjust the chain to get it rideable when on the smaller rear sprocket Confused


You missed the point.

You have dual front AND rear sprockets on that bicycle setup. The chain length would remain the same, as would the chain line providing spacing is correct.

So say you had what on your stuntbike? 16 front 45 rear as standard. Change it to 13 front 48 rear and the chain length remains the same. In theory, it would land up on exactly the same alignment marks give or take a bit of wear. That would be the same as simply swapping the standard rear from 45 to 60 tooth.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 04 Jan 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That crude dog clutch is the weak link and wouild be ripped apart, seized with winter road-clag or worn out in no time.
But the principle seems fine.
It is another bit of kit to look for on my next BMW.

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