New Tax Rules = DVLA Cash In

[j.silvs]

Saw this on another forum

...but of course the DVLA will be saving a fortune in admin and printing costs, but the hidden gem.....

Basically you cannot transfer unexpired tax disc to the new owner when you sell as we have done in the past

Seller has to apply to DVLA for a refund on the unexpired disc

(But of course you only get the money back for WHOLE months unexpired... if you sell on the 1st January you can only claim from February ) ££Cherching!££ to the DVLA... and you also have the hassle of applying for the refund.

New owner can't legally move the bike from the sellers without applying for the tax first...and of course some insurance firms take several days to register your details with the DVLA...so you might have to wait a week to pick it up....

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/electronic-tax-discs-change-face-2981548

[CaNsA]

Well, if it is in The Mirror then it must be accurate.....

[Rogerborg]

Wait, what? Change of keeper will cancel the license? Those sneaky sons of bitches, they're gambling on many sellers not being bothered reclaiming the money, or the DVLA "losing" the applications - which will of course need to be done by post using a 27b/6. And they'll chisel on average a full month's extra VED out us each time a vehicle changes hands.

Presumably buyers will be expected to pay VED immediately using the new keeper slip?
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[Mark_F]

Hmm, just wondering how someone who's employer doesn't tax (or cancels the tax on) the company van could fare?

How could they be expected to check it has valid tax?

Who would be prosecutable?

I'm sure it will all come out eventually, but it would be handy to know.

[j.silvs]

Exactly!

So your better off selling the bike as soon as the tax runs out, but then you leave yourself open to having a fine for no tax or sorn!

[trisers]

Ah yes but it seems they'll make it easier to pay the tax by offering a direct debit scheme, and only at 5% surcharge rate....

Oh wait...that means more money for them, and the hassle if someone forgets to cancel the direct debit and gives them even more money by mistake! Now i'm sure all the telephone operatives at DVLA (when you finally get connected to one) will be only too eager to see you get an immediate refund of the overpayment...won't they?

[Nemo]

Can't see why you can't sell the car with tax, it's not difficult to look on the direct.gov site and check the vehicles tax details for free.

Or pay a couple of quid and get a full HPI.

For example Iain didn't know when his tax expired, went to the site and found out within a couple of minutes.
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[Rogerborg]

[Nemo]

I must have been misunderstanding, I thought they were doing it because of everyone bitching that people could say a vehicle has tax when selling but not being able to prove it because of lack of disc.

Should have thought it was just a scheme to save money on printing and then get more money from people struggling to survive as it is... how naive of me
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[daemonoid]

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That's a surcharge for monthly over yearly payments I believe - same with a lot of stuff.

If they made it so that it was truly proportional with no extra fees and easy to do online, I'd be quite happy, despite it generally causing problems, as above.

Ie, If I've got 152 days of tax left and I cancel, I get 152/365 of the tax back. Would make it a load easier/cheaper owning multiple vehicles that don't always get used on the road.

[MatteyA]

Changes like this are always motivated purely and simply to raise the tax rate sneakily so they can pretend there just changing the rules and not raising the tax rate with the justification of some other reason for doing it.

It happens everywhere, the result is to always raise more money or cut costs, from the councils changing there exemption rules, to there bin collection schedules to new the parking meters that don't give out change. It happens in the police who have an enormous and every growing list of rules and regulations each of which always end up resulting in a fine, to the court system that lets criminals off as much as possible. It happens in the manipulations of government statistics like inflation rates to hide the extent of how much your hard earned money is being debased to the manipulation of criminal statistics to hide the extent of the cut backs in the areas of the police work that don't involve raising more revenue.

It pretty sad the good people of the country are shafted so badly at every turn.
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[cretin box]

There's already massive overpayment built in. I taxed the 'ped on the 28th January, so I've effectively paid for 12 months and got 11. Likewise, if you apply for a refund you only get full months - so if they receive your tax disc and claim form on the 2nd of the month you've lost that month.

Only a small amount of money on a bike, granted, but it would have been a lot on a car.
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[Polarbear]

The government says the end of the road for the “For sale, taxed” is meant to protect buyers who may be misled about a vehicle’s tax status.

Cancelling a disc and making the new owner buy a new one will be an added inconvenience for motorists who are changing vehicles, but we appreciate that this is to ensure that no one is unknowingly put at risk of driving an untaxed vehicle.


What effin shite. The whole point of a tax disc is you can look at it and see if it's taxed.
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[MatteyA]

LOL, exactly, if a tax disc doesn't show if its taxed then when is it for!!

Its just building in more overpayment so they can raise revenue without putting the official amount up. That way in a couple of years time when they do directly put the amount up, they can say things like we haven't raised the rate for 5 years so we need to now and claim they are all good and fair.

It might only be a few quid here and there, a months tax here and there and a few fines here and there as they catch people not aware of the new rules but over millions of vehicles that's a lot of extra money they will be getting whilst claiming rates are the same and its for you own good. Cheers!
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