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 Posted: 13:43 - 11 Feb 2014  Post subject: What 'they' think of 'us'... |
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I'm probably becoming more of a 'they' rather than an 'us' nowadays, but it's interesting to see the view of the EU from the other side that isn't completely coloured by the UK press...
https://www.wort.lu/en/view/reding-to-britain-freedom-of-movement-is-non-negotiable-52f9e740e4b07ca9197da9d9
Both the article and the video are interesting...
| Quote: | For example, Reding said that 77 percent of EU immigrants to the UK are active professionals. This compares to just 60 percent of arrivals from non-EU countries, including Commonwealth states. Only 2.1 percent of recipients of UK welfare are EU immigrants. |
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| Quote: | At the same time, around 2.2 million Britons live elsewhere in the EU, making the UK the biggest “exporter” of people among all 28 member states, according to Reding. |
and the exasperation...
| Quote: | The Luxembourg politician spoke of “distorted truths,” not least perpetuated by the media, which Reding said even blamed the Somerset floods on Brussels. “I did not know I have the power to make it rain,” she quipped at the dialogue held at the Royal Institution of Great Britain. |
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The EU is becoming more like a country and the majority of the people of the UK do not wish to be government by them. Yes, we are part of the government, and we do have a say, but it's a small say, and we are in a tiny minority and always outvoted [unless you're a liberal]. Being in the EU you are, not in legal terms, but in practical terms, consenting to being run by Europe, and this means you don't get to change things that don't suit you. Think of it as being like Caroline Lucas in Westminster, sure she is there, but there's only one!
Now if we all wanted the same thing it wouldn't be such an issue, but we actually want quite different things hence the never ending complaints in the papers and people complaining about the EU. At that point common sense dictates that the two sides split, so the UK no longer impedes the mainland Europeans from fulfilling it's desires as it currently does, and they no longer do the same wrt UK. People seem to like the free trade on both sides, but they can do that with a free trade agreement.
It's not really go much to do with immigrants and whether they claim benefits or not. Most of the problems of the EU still stand even if we send all the immigrants home.
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| Posted: 22:57 - 11 Feb 2014 Post subject: Re: What 'they' think of 'us'... |
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| Kickstart wrote: | Probably many of them escaping the UK when they retire. |
This is a big point in UK-to-EU emigration. Most of these people are I would expect little financial burden on where they arrive, and are if anything likely of financial benefit due to them retiring and essentially spending their pension away.
| daemonoid wrote: | | -Matt- wrote: | Is that in terms of UK-to-EU immigration, or UK-to-rest of the world out of interest. |
As far as I know it's UK to EU. |
Thats quite interesting if so, I tryed to find some info on that and couldn't hence I asked  Ironically it seems our UK to EU emigration statistics seem quite swept away generally, yet we are drowned in EU to UK immigration statistics on a daily basis. I was going to say if it was UK to outside emigration that made us the highest exporter I didn't find that too suprising, as large amounts of UK citizens head for Ausralia, New Zealand, Canada and the US and tend to often get picked over other EU citizens due to language aside from anything else. But in comparison although for example many Spanish/Portuguese people may get welcomed and fit in great in a lot of South America the wages are often little better/worse than remaining in their home countries, so if they are going to leave - its often for the likes of the UK, France and Germany.
I do think what heavily warps a lot of EU immigration statistics is failure to take into account the population of their countries though. I recall seeing some shock-headline a few months back about how 'a quarter of young Romanians want to move to Britain'. Even if you presume thats accurate, a quarter of young people from a population of 20 odd million considering leaving their country is probablhy negligible in terms of who will actually go through with it and what if any effect that will have on their destination country.
I've noticed a hell of a lot of Eastern Europeans i've worked with the last few years heading home ironically - and also quite a large chunk heading to Germany as it happens. I'd be interested to see if their media interprets it the same as ours does  |
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I'm normally right wing, but with Europe I'm not.
I work as a member of a team that is spread out through Europe and I have done so for 18 years, I need to be able to visit and work in Europe on a fairly regular basis.
So far I've worked in the England, Ireland, Finland, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Sweden,Norway & Scotland.
I would vote to stay in Europe just to keep my job.
Recently we had a new site which was due to open in Russia and I couldn't go. (work permits) Not only that I couldn't even purchase the equipment/configure it and have it shipped because of customs. The entire process was then vastly more difficult, ie finding an English speaking expert and then getting them to purchase the equipment and configure to our specs etc.
I like the fact I can just turn up and work in the EU.
Things I have found, I really like Germany & France, Helsinki sells lots of English ales. The Dutch are not laid back. English is widely understood everywhere in Europe I have worked except for France.
UK H&S is far superior to anywhere I have worked.
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| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | Yes, we are part of the government, and we do have a say, but it's a small say, and we are in a tiny minority and always outvoted [unless you're a liberal]. Being in the EU you are, not in legal terms, but in practical terms, consenting to being run by Europe, and this means you don't get to change things that don't suit you. |
I'm perhaps not old enough to comment on this accurately as i've grown up 'in the EU', and I guess may also be considered liberal in many respects But has there ever been a time the average person can really change things or have a hope of changing them. Even in pre-EU days was it not a case of what government wants, government gets ultimately. Maybe there was the 'freedom' to decide outside of the EU, but was it ever actually applicable to the average person. |
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| Posted: 08:52 - 12 Feb 2014 Post subject: |
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| Im-a-Ridah wrote: | The EU is becoming more like a country and the majority of the people of the UK do not wish to be government by them. Yes, we are part of the government, and we do have a say, but it's a small say, and we are in a tiny minority and always outvoted [unless you're a liberal]. Being in the EU you are, not in legal terms, but in practical terms, consenting to being run by Europe, and this means you don't get to change things that don't suit you. Think of it as being like Caroline Lucas in Westminster, sure she is there, but there's only one!
Now if we all wanted the same thing it wouldn't be such an issue, but we actually want quite different things hence the never ending complaints in the papers and people complaining about the EU. At that point common sense dictates that the two sides split, so the UK no longer impedes the mainland Europeans from fulfilling it's desires as it currently does, and they no longer do the same wrt UK. People seem to like the free trade on both sides, but they can do that with a free trade agreement.
It's not really go much to do with immigrants and whether they claim benefits or not. Most of the problems of the EU still stand even if we send all the immigrants home. |
So what are those problems you allude to? Why is it worse to have a government run in Brussels than Westminster. Unless you live in London, Westminster certainly doesn't care about you.
'We' don't want different things. The UK government wants to protect a couple of crony-led industries. It should be very obvious from the recent direction that the UK is heading that 'we' don't come into it at all. The only time that 'we' are considered is during the x-factor style election process which inevitably leads to broken promises and disenchantment. In contrast Europe has been built up as the big bad enemy with 0 basis.
Can you actually name any bad policies (and be very careful because I mean the policies themselves and not the media spin) that come from Europe? I bet for every one you name I can name 2 that come from 'our own' government.
I really would love to hear any actual grievances about Europe that don't revolve around xenophobia, misinformation or general unfocused torch waving.
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