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 Posted: 10:25 - 04 Mar 2014  Post subject: Is the Orion 125cc Big wheel pit bike good for MotoCross |
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Greetings all 
I know it is a Chinese made bike but that is not a problem , I want to know could you use it for Motocross and possibly win , just for thoughts and by the way I will upgrade the suspension and the exhaust. Also my friend told me to change the oil on it because the oil they use is crap. ( it's understandable  )
If you have never had an Orion , please don't be all negative about it because how would you know if you haven't tried it . I have stated that I have upgraded the suspension and exhaust. Please don't assume it is the old Orions it is the latest one , here is the link : https://www.jonway.co.za/bikes.php?id=23
Looking forward to hear your guys thoughts
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| Posted: 11:03 - 04 Mar 2014 Post subject: |
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Why is there so many haters against Orion , I don't want anyone who hasn't ridden an Orion to comment here because that is just being biased
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| Posted: 11:55 - 04 Mar 2014 Post subject: Re: Is the Orion 125cc Big wheel pit bike good for MotoCross |
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Will you upgrade the suspension to motocross suspension, the chassis to a motocross chassis and the engine to a motocross engine?
If you won't, it won't be nearly as good as a motocross on a proper motocross track. Even with what you describe, I expect it'll cost you more than a 90s mx bike that will be massively better.
It is not 'hating' against some random brand of pit bike.
Why do you think this brand will be different to others that use similar components?
If you want to ride tracks designed for pit bikes, then sure, get a pit bike.
It is not normal motocross (sometimes described as 'mini motocross', or just raced on the kid's tracks as it's a kid's bike) and I don't enjoy dirt bike riding on pit bikes nearly as much as full size bikes - I've done both and the little bikes force you into less than ideal body positions, while of course the full size bikes have evolved over the years to be around the ideal geometry for riding off road.
If you don't want people to comment on your post, the best solution is not to post  .
Oh and 'possibly win'. I did actually  .
You want to take a bike that has about a quarter of the power, similar weight, half the suspension travel, half the size wheels or less and expect to win a motocross race on it? |
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| Posted: 12:39 - 04 Mar 2014 Post subject: |
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Indeed it adds to my previous suspicion that the OP doesn't actually really understand what motocross is . |
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| Posted: 18:18 - 04 Mar 2014 Post subject: |
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Two spam threads here by the OP just for the shits and giggles with his mates I'd say!
In fact I have a question for the OP:
Is a 1990 Fantic 305 trial a good bike for road racing?  |
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| Posted: 12:37 - 05 Mar 2014 Post subject: |
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I call  SPAM
"Contact Us info@jonway.co.za "
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| Posted: 17:49 - 06 Mar 2014 Post subject: |
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I have been stupid to think that the orion pit bike would make it in motocross , thank you all for stopping me from getting the bike .
Sorry for the inconvenience
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If you want to try motocross cheaply, have you had bike experience? If so, just go out there, get the nicest YZ125 you can get your paws on for your money and then ride. Although I believe you said you have no way of getting there, so you may need to get a van first or something.
If not a KTM EXC 125 would be reasonable, but not for massive jumps or extended road use. My mate uses his round MX tracks and all he's done is increase the compression on the suspenders.
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| Posted: 18:59 - 06 Mar 2014 Post subject: |
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Yes I have had bike experience (7 years ) and I would get the KTM no problem but unfortunately I am on a tight budget but I have found a suitable motocross bike and I hope it is here is the link to it : https://puzey.co.za/Catalog/ViewProduct/271?catalogId=1 and it is not Chinese but it is made locally and is used by some people doing motocross here but I want to find out if it is good as a entry level dirt bike
Hope to hear from you soon
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I really like that, but race-winning potential, it does not have. It's got 10.5KW, which is about half what the stroker 125's have.
It has quite high ground clearance, and a low seat, it could compete with the 85's/150's if the suspension was up to it. But I'm not sure you've grasped the idea of motocross really. Has unusual wheel sizes, maybe tyres difficult to get your hands on?
That, I think would make an awesome trail bike, for just pottering around offroad, like going round some woods without pushing too hard. With it's low(ish) seat height and probably a friendly engine, it would be pretty easy to start getting some experience on, just off the surfaced road.
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| Posted: 19:02 - 06 Mar 2014 Post subject: |
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| Fladdem wrote: | | JohnMK wrote: |
Yes I have had bike experience (7 years ) and I would get the KTM no problem but unfortunately I am on a tight budget but I have found a suitable motocross bike and I hope it is here is the link to it : https://puzey.co.za/Catalog/ViewProduct/271?catalogId=1 and it is not Chinese but it is made locally and is used by some people doing motocross here but I want to find out if it is good as a entry level dirt bike
Hope to hear from you soon
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I really like that, but race-winning potential, it does not have. It's got 10.5KW, which is about half what the stroker 125's have.
It has quite high ground clearance, and a low seat, it could compete with the 85's/150's if the suspension was up to it. But I'm not sure you've grasped the idea of motocross really. Has unusual wheel sizes, maybe tyres difficult to get your hands on?
That, I think would make an awesome trail bike, for just pottering around offroad, like going round some woods without pushing too hard. With it's low(ish) seat height and probably a friendly engine, it would be pretty easy to start getting some experience on, just off the surfaced road. |
Thanks for the help but I have a friend who is very good at modifying bikes , do you think you could modify it to maybe race winning potential ?? , I am still quite a beginner in motocross and my friend has been teaching me a few things on his bike and I want to get my own , he says the bike is an ''entry level bike '' but he modified his bike to get much more potential and I was hoping I could do the same to this bike
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Hahaha, not this again. 
I think if you were the best rider in the world, competing in a sort of midi-class, with people on CR85's and CRF150's, whether you could compete with a 180cc, I don't know, and you had MAJOR suspension work done, possibly the suspension off the Honda's listed above, you may stand a chance.
Honestly, I think that that would be expensive and not worthwhile. Have a look at Gas Gas's, I don't know about in Sood Affreeka, but here there are pretty cheap, for a full blown enduro bike, and just as good as the other European options, apparently.
I think what you are doing is getting distracted by blingy bikes, without really knowing what you are looking for. Like when you try to point out the moon to a dog, you keep looking at my finger and not seeing the bigger picture.  The modifications required would push the price up higher than if you were to get a proper crosser, with a nice engine and suspension to begin with and work from there.
My TTR250 will NEVER be competitive, it wasn't twenty years ago and certainly isn't now. You are looking at similar bikes, soft, heavy, underpowered, they would be a blast to ride, but won't ever really have race winning ability, in MX or enduro. The only sort of competitivity my bike would have is in a long-distance-trial for beginners, I might stand a chance then, but that's cos it's not flat out screaming through some trees or flying up 20ft table-top, just pootling round some rocks.
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| Posted: 19:24 - 06 Mar 2014 Post subject: |
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| Fladdem wrote: | Hahaha, not this again.
I think if you were the best rider in the world, competing in a sort of midi-class, with people on CR85's and CRF150's, whether you could compete with a 180cc, I don't know, and you had MAJOR suspension work done, possibly the suspension off the Honda's listed above, you may stand a chance.
Honestly, I think that that would be expensive and not worthwhile. Have a look at Gas Gas's, I don't know about in Sood Affreeka, but here there are pretty cheap, for a full blown enduro bike, and just as good as the other European options, apparently.
I think what you are doing is getting distracted by blingy bikes, without really knowing what you are looking for. Like when you try to point out the moon to a dog, you keep looking at my finger and not seeing the bigger picture. The modifications required would push the price up higher than if you were to get a proper crosser, with a nice engine and suspension to begin with and work from there.
My TTR250 will NEVER be competitive, it wasn't twenty years ago and certainly isn't now. You are looking at similar bikes, soft, heavy, underpowered, they would be a blast to ride, but won't ever really have race winning ability, in MX or enduro. The only sort of competitivity my bike would have is in a long-distance-trial for beginners, I might stand a chance then, but that's cos it's not flat out screaming through some trees or flying up 20ft table-top, just pootling round some rocks. |
I get what you are saying now and I fully understand , I'll try and get a good YZ125 as a starting bike then I will move up to the KTM
Thanks man !! , I really appreciate your help
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I get what you are saying now and I fully understand , I'll try and get a good YZ125 as a starting bike then I will move up to the KTM
Thanks man !! , I really appreciate your help
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JohnMK |
I don't know whether you can register a motocross bike on the road there, but if I were to do it again, I would avoid the TTR 250 and just go straight to a YZ125 registered for the road or a Husqvarna WR144, or some other sort of 125 2 stroke competition bike on the road, I would then just suck it up and pay for the insurance on my Varadero 125 and use that for all the road work rather than what I did and try to find a do-it-all bike.
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