Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Clare Balding a 'sell out' says LGBT community

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> Politics & Current Affairs Goto page 1, 2  Next
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

metalangel
World Chat Champion



Joined: 27 Feb 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:41 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Clare Balding a 'sell out' says LGBT community Reply with quote

https://imgur.com/gallery/KyMbgTG

Some members of the LGBT community are hating on Clare Balding for being a 'sell out' by going to Sochi.

This being the internet, the winner is this comment:
"Gays are fucking assholes"

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/08/clare-balding-sochi-olympics-gay-sell-out-twitter-trolls_n_4750034.html

https://metro.co.uk/2014/02/08/sochi-2014-winter-olympics-bbc-star-clare-balding-defends-herself-from-twitter-trolls-over-decision-to-go-to-russia-4295694/
____________________
Previous: 2002 Honda CB500 (sold), 2007 Suzuki SV650SK6 (crashed), 2005 Yamaha FZ6 Fazer (sold). Currently bikeless Sad
"A faired bike will get you 10x more clunge than a unfaired one." -Marlboro Matt
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
- This post is not being displayed because the poster has bad karma. Unhide this post / all posts.

Lord Percy
World Chat Champion



Joined: 03 Aug 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:14 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were a famous gay and had the power of the BBC to give me general physical (and political?) safety, I would be right over there as a representative for the fight against the moron homophobe herd.

In this instance, I don't think boycotting would really work. That would just be a win for them. What they need really is a full invasion of unattackable homos, such as this woman Thumbs Up .
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Ribenapigeon
Super Spammer



Joined: 20 Feb 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 23:51 - 09 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The winter olympics have nothing to do with the whole issue of homophobia in Russia so why should Clare Balding not go there? There are plenty of countries which are deeply homophobic, are gay celebrities meant to boycot all of them. The next football world cup being a case in point.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Im-a-Ridah
World Chat Champion



Joined: 20 Oct 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 02:22 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
If we boycotted everything which seems to offend this lot, we'd live in a very dull place where civilization failed due to lack of reproduction.

Clare Balding can swivel, but people will still want to watch the Winter Olympics even if it offends the pink brigade.


What's a pink brigade? You're confusing militant liberals with homosexuals. That said, if the cops smacked you around the face with a baton for having a girlfriend I reckon you might be a bit angry Wink

Boozehawk wrote:
The winter olympics have nothing to do with the whole issue of homophobia in Russia so why should Clare Balding not go there? There are plenty of countries which are deeply homophobic, are gay celebrities meant to boycot all of them. The next football world cup being a case in point.


Yes they should boycott them, just like women should boycott Middle Eastern countries.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Ribenapigeon
Super Spammer



Joined: 20 Feb 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:34 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Yes they should boycott them, just like women should boycott Middle Eastern countries.


I do kind of agree but its to lose sight of the fact that women, children, gay people, the aged, the disabled and the mentaly ill are treated like shit round the world. We are massively ahead of most of the world in that respect so if we were going to boycot countries on that score we wouldent have anything to do with the world.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

-Matt-
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:19 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think its fairly pointless to blame and scapegoat select individuals following their career for attending. They should be asking the people that awarded the olympics to them why they got it - but then after the likes of China having it I doubt they care, so long as their pockets are being filled generously Rolling Eyes

On the topic of the severity of homophobia in Russia though, worth a watch. https://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/4od.

Its obiviously focused on the worse cases, but does highlight the widespread lack of care from the police and other authorities about the issue.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Ribenapigeon
Super Spammer



Joined: 20 Feb 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:40 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the olympics do seem to be just a big excercise in money making all for a few days of television. I think the Chinese Olympics were pretty disgusting in the way chinese people were treated. Certainly if I was an athlete I wouldent have felt comfortable competing there.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

-Matt-
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:51 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I must admit if I was one of them i'd probably still attend though, admittedly with a bad after taste, as i'm sure many experience. Its unfortunate the olympics is as big and dominating as it is really. The days of it being a 'great sporting get together' are long gone in my opinion - its just a huge commercial product now.

The majority of these athletes work day in day out to train at their sport in the hopes of reaching the top which for them is the olympics - boycotting it is like a formula 1 driver just not turning up for a race. Career opportunties and future sponsorship in them will likely go down the drain.

Its easy for everyone on the outside to say 'oh but think of the morals!'. I expect they'd all still goto their day job in a similar situation though Laughing

Looks like they've kept the protesters fairly battered into submission calm so far. Not sure the 2018 world cup will go so smoothly though, considering the amount of football hooliganism in Russia Whistle
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Ribenapigeon
Super Spammer



Joined: 20 Feb 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:01 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've known two proper sports people in my life and met a few others and they were all competative to the point of psycopathy. I suspect that for a lot of sports people the only thing that ever counts is being first and that mentality is probably encouraged throughout their careers. For most events that's ok it just the way it is, F1 or the footie world cup for instence but the Olympics are different. Its promoted as having this Olympian ethos that's about soething more than just competition. Clearly a load of shite.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Flatbadger
World Chat Champion



Joined: 07 Apr 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 12:54 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Send the woman to Reading Nick, and tell all the LGBT twats that it was because she didn't conform to the ideas of society at large.

I'm sure the irony would be completely lost on them.
____________________
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
You're in ISIS
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

angryjonny
World Chat Champion



Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:27 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't get it. Surely her going to Russia as the BBC's lead correspondant despite their anti-gay stance is a far bigger "fuck you" than her just rolling over and staying home.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Benno
World Chat Champion



Joined: 06 May 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:01 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

[In my vocabulary, faggot =/= homosexual person. It means an annoying person of any background, or an excessively flamboyant, feminine, irritating, personality-and-ideology-based-on-my-sexuality homosexual person, usually male]

The media incitement against Russia is fucking pathetic.

When have we ever had this much hype over the Winter Olympics? Never as far as I can remember. Just this time, "the gays/trannies" decided to kick up a fuss. The reality, I imagine, is that a few militant faggots and trannies were upset and started "waging war" on twitter, and then hordes of progressive "allies" decided to take up their cause on their behalf, and the media - being braindead progressive parrots that are of the belief that anything that goes against their cultural ideals is objectively wrong and they haven't simply misinterpreted the situation or just misunderstood it - whips itself and "the public" into a fury over the "injustice".

The reality is that most of the public don't care - the media just tell them that they do - and it's pretty much a manufactured ire against Russia's "anti gay" laws. The only people genuinely annoyed are the few militant fags/trannies, and the "allies" (ironically the larger group of the two).

Put it into context. Many countries have anti gay laws in the world - shock horror! The UK itself had anti-gay laws until fairly recently.
Furthermore, Russian law and society doesn't actually penalise people for being gay. They just don't want them waving their dicks around in massive public parades.

And as for the apparent "irony" of all the "homoerotic" aspects of Russian culture/the Sochi Olympics (such as two toilets in one room) - come on now political left, aren't you supposed to be the ones that are understanding of other cultures? Something we are dumb enough to consider homoerotic doesn't mean it's homoerotic to other cultures. On top of that, not everybody who disagrees with you is a "closet homosexual", that's just a buzzword you like to use when you are losing an argument.



https://www.scribd.com/doc/203382931/Russian-Lgbt-Law-White-Paper
____________________
I'm autistic. That means I'm smarter than you.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

-Matt-
World Chat Champion



Joined: 28 Apr 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:17 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the fuss is justified, albeit pointless - over the winter olympics you're probably right about it not having happened before, but previous olympics have had equal fuss kicked up over them, and equally little happened because of it as I expect will be the case with Russia now, they couldn't give two Laughing

China had the same protests and calls for boycotting over human rights and tibet etc when it hosted the main olympics a few years back. I think the 'shock' factor comes from the fact a lot of the general public people see Russia as a big developed country sometimes, almost part of Europe, so to have laws that would probably not get passed in the EU so close to it makes them get hot and bothered.

I would disagree about the penalisation of LGBT communities by Russian society though - although the law might not penalise them directly it does little to stop the common abuse and ill treatment of those communties which happens on a regular basis and is tollerated by a large amount of people as the norm. To be honest though, its not much better in lot of eastern europe. Poland and its eastern neighbours aren't exactly welcoming to gays generally either, just a culture divide really Thinking
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Ribenapigeon
Super Spammer



Joined: 20 Feb 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:18 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Benno"][In my vocabulary, faggot =/= homosexual person. It means an annoying person of any background, or an excessively flamboyant, feminine, irritating, personality-and-ideology-based-on-my-sexuality homosexual person, usually male]

quote]

Remind me, which century are we in?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Harold_Shand
World Chat Champion



Joined: 07 Jun 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:18 - 10 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Boozehawk"]
Benno wrote:
[In my vocabulary, faggot =/= homosexual person. It means an annoying person of any background, or an excessively flamboyant, feminine, irritating, personality-and-ideology-based-on-my-sexuality homosexual person, usually male]

quote]

Remind me, which century are we in?


Classic Liberati Rolling Eyes
____________________
BCF's 6th favourite poster 2009-2010

Harold_Shand's theory might be the best explanation.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha
World Chat Champion



Joined: 22 Nov 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 05:42 - 11 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
The reality is that most of the public don't care - the media just tell them that they do - and it's pretty much a manufactured ire against Russia's "anti gay" laws. The only people genuinely annoyed are the few militant fags/trannies, and the "allies" (ironically the larger group of the two).


That's not ironic. I assume we're talking about the UK. If so, most people aren't gay, but believe that people should have the right to pretty much do what they want, providing it's not harming anyone else. Why would they not speak out - apart from the fact that we live in an abjectly apathetic and politically retarded society?

Benno wrote:
Russian law and society doesn't actually penalise people for being gay. They just don't want them waving their dicks around in massive public parades.


You are wrong on that latter point.

What was it Putin said - "feel calm and at ease, just leave kids alone." Why would anyone assume that there are fewer acts of hetero paedophilia than homo? Answer: because they are at best ignorant fucktards, or at worse, have consciously embarked on a much broader mission of intolerance - to be accomplished in part by reinforcing people's misconceptions and prejudices.

Don't get me wrong - I can't quite give a fuck what goes on in Russia, nor what culture they're trying to create there. But please - don't be so naive as to think they might not want to inaugurate an illiberal, comparatively intolerant society that is quite distinct from Europe and the US.

Benno wrote:
And as for the apparent "irony" of all the "homoerotic" aspects of Russian culture/the Sochi Olympics (such as two toilets in one room) - come on now political left, aren't you supposed to be the ones that are understanding of other cultures? Something we are dumb enough to consider homoerotic doesn't mean it's homoerotic to other cultures. On top of that, not everybody who disagrees with you is a "closet homosexual", that's just a buzzword you like to use when you are losing an argument.


Probably some truth in that. But really - why say the "political left"? The general ambience of political correctness you're indicting is far - FAR - from restricted to the left. For one thing homophobia is rife in certain communist countries - Cuba e.g. Secondly, the vast majority of these liberal lovies who tell us to not to be "gender blind" or "colour blind" are totally and utterly blind to class. They are not in the slightest bit left wing.

It pisses me off that there's this constant conflation of political correctness with the left. Seriously - fuck that shit. The right is the home of liberalism. Neo-liberalism, etc. etc. Yes true, it might not sit well with conservatism (this contradiction was something Thatcherism had to contend with throughout the '80s - on the one hand strong law and order, on the other total deregulation and the rolling back of the prohibitive state). But don't try telling me the left is responsible for the likes of Claire fucking Balding's spineless bullshit, and god knows what else.
____________________
"Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."

Mobylette Type 50 ---> Raleigh Grifter ---> Neval Minsk 125
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
- This post is not being displayed because the poster has bad karma. Unhide this post / all posts.

map
Mr Calendar



Joined: 14 Jun 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:57 - 11 Feb 2014    Post subject: Re: Clare Balding a 'sell out' says LGBT community Reply with quote

metalangel wrote:
https://imgur.com/gallery/KyMbgTG

Some members of the LGBT community are hating on Clare Balding for being a 'sell out' by going to Sochi....

Rolling Eyes there's an old saying that history is made by those that turn up.
So just ignoring it and looking the other way, that'd really impress the Russians.

Still, re-enforces my opinion of LGBT in that they miss the bigger picture and by objecting to Clare Balding they're really all about 'look at me, look at me'.

Going away now to look for a storm in a teacup Thumbs Up
____________________
...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
Gibbs, what did Duckie look like when he was younger? Very Happy
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Benno
World Chat Champion



Joined: 06 May 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:02 - 11 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
That's not ironic. I assume we're talking about the UK. If so, most people aren't gay, but believe that people should have the right to pretty much do what they want, providing it's not harming anyone else. Why would they not speak out - apart from the fact that we live in an abjectly apathetic and politically retarded society?


Yes, most people believe we should have the right to "do pretty much what we want". Our culture of banning fun things and telling people they can't do things we consider dangerous aside, you're largely right about that.
The truth is that homosexuals are not barred from being homosexual and [doing gay stuff] in their own time in Russia. For some reason many people believe this to be the case, though. The reality is that a man can kiss a man on the streets of Magnitogorsk or Moscow and receive no more or fewer funny looks than he would in London or Manchester, and that would be that.

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:


You are wrong on that latter point.

What was it Putin said - "feel calm and at ease, just leave kids alone." Why would anyone assume that there are fewer acts of hetero paedophilia than homo? Answer: because they are at best ignorant fucktards, or at worse, have consciously embarked on a much broader mission of intolerance - to be accomplished in part by reinforcing people's misconceptions and prejudices.

Don't get me wrong - I can't quite give a fuck what goes on in Russia, nor what culture they're trying to create there. But please - don't be so naive as to think they might not want to inaugurate an illiberal, comparatively intolerant society that is quite distinct from Europe and the US.


Show me where in Russian law it actually punishes a person for being homosexual.

Quote:
Probably some truth in that. But really - why say the "political left"? The general ambience of political correctness you're indicting is far - FAR - from restricted to the left. For one thing homophobia is rife in certain communist countries - Cuba e.g. Secondly, the vast majority of these liberal lovies who tell us to not to be "gender blind" or "colour blind" are totally and utterly blind to class. They are not in the slightest bit left wing.

It pisses me off that there's this constant conflation of political correctness with the left. Seriously - fuck that shit. The right is the home of liberalism. Neo-liberalism, etc. etc. Yes true, it might not sit well with conservatism (this contradiction was something Thatcherism had to contend with throughout the '80s - on the one hand strong law and order, on the other total deregulation and the rolling back of the prohibitive state). But don't try telling me the left is responsible for the likes of Claire fucking Balding's spineless bullshit, and god knows what else.


I somewhat agree, but we're digressing a bit here.
____________________
I'm autistic. That means I'm smarter than you.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha
World Chat Champion



Joined: 22 Nov 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:55 - 11 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
Show me where in Russian law it actually punishes a person for being homosexual.


Give it time. But yeah - by "latter point" I meant that *although* there is no explicit, codified anti-uphill gardener crap, I would argue that you are being a teency bit naive if you think that all they DON'T want is "them waving their dicks around in massive public parades." I mean, aside from what exactly is wrong with gay parades (although straight away it must be noted that Russia seems increasingly against massive public parades of ANY kind, unless it is to queue up to oil Putin's pecs), the whole paedo comment seems indicative of a slightly uhm blinkered view right at the top of the pile.

Either this is an attempt to reflect commonly held prejudices, or to construct them. The reality will probably be a fucked up dialectic process where both sets of phobic forces feed off each other, leading eventually to some form of legislation - much like the old Section 28 here. Likely worse than that, knowing the Russians.

And if it doesn't, the cynic in me thinks that would only be due to the anxiety of attracting adverse attention from Europe and the US. As I said though, the stronger they become, the less they will give a fuck about international opinion, and the more repressive their state will develop. Hopefully I'm being pessimistic.
____________________
"Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."

Mobylette Type 50 ---> Raleigh Grifter ---> Neval Minsk 125
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Benno
World Chat Champion



Joined: 06 May 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:15 - 11 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Benno wrote:
Show me where in Russian law it actually punishes a person for being homosexual.


Give it time. But yeah - by "latter point" I meant that *although* there is no explicit, codified anti-uphill gardener crap, I would argue that you are being a teency bit naive if you think that all they DON'T want is "them waving their dicks around in massive public parades." I mean, aside from what exactly is wrong with gay parades (although straight away it must be noted that Russia seems increasingly against massive public parades of ANY kind, unless it is to queue up to oil Putin's pecs), the whole paedo comment seems indicative of a slightly uhm blinkered view right at the top of the pile.

Either this is an attempt to reflect commonly held prejudices, or to construct them. The reality will probably be a fucked up dialectic process where both sets of phobic forces feed off each other, leading eventually to some form of legislation - much like the old Section 28 here. Likely worse than that, knowing the Russians.

And if it doesn't, the cynic in me thinks that would only be due to the anxiety of attracting adverse attention from Europe and the US. As I said though, the stronger they become, the less they will give a fuck about international opinion, and the more repressive their state will develop. Hopefully I'm being pessimistic.


Homophobia is not being constructed by the Russian government; they are merely doing what any good government would do (Laughing), and reflecting the wishes of the people. Russian people do not like homosexuality.

That said though, one could say that they show some restraint when compared to other countries that 'dislike' homosexuals, since they do not actually penalise them for it and let them get on with their lives - as long as they don't shove it in people's faces like these kinds of people.

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/6/8/1339168130506/Gay-pride-parade-008.jpg
____________________
I'm autistic. That means I'm smarter than you.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha
World Chat Champion



Joined: 22 Nov 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:36 - 11 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
Homophobia is not being constructed by the Russian government; they are merely doing what any good government would do (Laughing), and reflecting the wishes of the people. Russian people do not like homosexuality.


We're wandering further and further away from Claire fucking Baldwin. Thankfully. But in any case, I actually disagree with your point here and believe that although probably not ever the most tolerant society, the Russians of the Soviet era were far more enlightened than they'll be by the time this creep Putin has finished with them. Back then there was an intelligentsia, and intellectuals were respected - yes, yes, they had to tow the line. Nobody could deny that. However, they were a clever bunch. Putin is dumbing them down at an alarming rate though. Decades ago Russian people didn't know whether they liked homosexuality or not - probably, if they thought about it at all, they just had them marched off to ballet school. But today such ambivalence wouldn't sit well with Putin's machismo. So - time to mould and form that comparative indifference into something that will better serve his vision.
____________________
"Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."

Mobylette Type 50 ---> Raleigh Grifter ---> Neval Minsk 125
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

map
Mr Calendar



Joined: 14 Jun 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:50 - 11 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
...today such ambivalence wouldn't sit well with Putin's machismo...

Thinking Putin, machismo. I'm thinking Putin, shirt off = gay icon.

e.g.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E7A3hYlZMiM/Rs88yCFSyFI/AAAAAAAAArk/V0YiOdGmask/s400/Putin+shirtless.jpgA man playing with his rod.
image from here


Reminds me of the various scenes (shower, volleyball) in Top Gun that in hindsight can now appear very Gay.
https://www.topgunday.com/wp-content/gallery/top-gun-avatars-200x200/maverick-high-fives-goose-after-volleyball-match.jpg

Very Happy
____________________
...and the whirlwind is in the thorn trees, it's hard for thee to kick against the pricks...
Gibbs, what did Duckie look like when he was younger? Very Happy
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha
World Chat Champion



Joined: 22 Nov 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 15:11 - 11 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
...today such ambivalence wouldn't sit well with Putin's machismo...

Thinking Putin, machismo. I'm thinking Putin, shirt off = gay icon.

e.g.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_E7A3hYlZMiM/Rs88yCFSyFI/AAAAAAAAArk/V0YiOdGmask/s400/Putin+shirtless.jpgA man playing with his rod.
image from here


Reminds me of the various scenes (shower, volleyball) in Top Gun that in hindsight can now appear very Gay.
https://www.topgunday.com/wp-content/gallery/top-gun-avatars-200x200/maverick-high-fives-goose-after-volleyball-match.jpg

Very Happy


Of course, of course. I meant "machismo" as opposed to machismo. Apparently he is only 5' 1".
____________________
"Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."

Mobylette Type 50 ---> Raleigh Grifter ---> Neval Minsk 125
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 12 years, 8 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> Politics & Current Affairs All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.15 Sec - Server Load: 0.7 - MySQL Queries: 14 - Page Size: 150.06 Kb