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 Posted: 20:00 - 28 Jan 2014 Post subject: Re: Corporal Punishement |
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| smegballs wrote: | Obviously the whipping etc would need a doctor present to monitor the convict, and can call a halt if they are in danger. The idea is to inflict pain, not permanently damage them.
If you have the choice of 5 years of 30 lashes, what would you take? |
Er because it doesn't work?
There are parodies of this in newspaper cartoons, like pickpockets being publicly flogged, yet in the crowds who come to gawp there are pick pockets.
Additionally humans are pretty tolerant, they can get used to things quite quickly.
For example when I went to India backpacking, didn't have a solid one for months, initially the gut cramps and pain was crippling. After a couple weeks, it was kind of meh, run into a toilet spray it with watery turd. Walk out and not really feel a thing.
Ballarinas when they go on pointe (their feet are horrible) it is cripplingly painful when they first do it. But then it becomes meh, the mind filters it out.
Or even in Chinese 're-education' camps where individuals are tortured there for YEARS regularly, not lashes torture. ____________________ "It's easy to attack and destroy an act of creation. It's a lot more difficult to perform one" |
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I haven't got a problem with chemical castration for predatory paedophiles, rapists etc.
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| monteme0 wrote: | | mentalboy wrote: | Theft/robbing - remove hand (s)
Sexual/violent - castration |
Those punishments seem a little out of proportion. Theft/robbery surely is a lesser crime to rape/GBH etc, and yet I would rather be castrated than have my hands cut off in all honesty.
Corporal punishment may work for very petty crimes. However, probably not for more serious ones. For example, if there was someone I really, really didn't like and wanted to hurt, I probably wouldn't act on such urges as I know imprisonment would likely ruin my life. Although, if I knew that by beating someone senseless all I would get were a few floggings and thats the end of it, then I would probably just think, meh I can deal with a bit of physical pain. |
And you thought I was a little tough???
' if there was someone I really, really didn't like and wanted to hurt....by beating someone senseless'
So not OK to punish a criminal but OK to beat someone senseless just because you really, really don't like them???? ____________________ Make mine a Corona. |
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| Derivative wrote: |
The point is that being a homosexual in the 50s/60s was analogous to being a paedophile now. |
Not really.
At the time, being a practicing homosexual was a criminal offence and Turing pled guilty to gross indecency, at which point he was given the option of prison or probation, the conditon of probation being, he was given a course of hormone treatment.
Then, as now, a convicted paedophile would've had no such choice, prison was the only option. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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| Derivative wrote: | monteme0: The only reason that sort of stuff generally comes about though is because people aren't forced to restitute properly.
If someone nicked my bike, and then they were forced to actually pay me back the value of the bike plus incidental expenses, I wouldn't really feel that much ill will towards them at all.
But that very rarely happens. You have to deal with it yourself and the perpetrator even if caught probably gets let off with a fine or some such nonsense. |
Yep, I pretty much agree with that. Although, this wouldn't really work either as this could end up generating more crime.
The average bike thief is basically a low life parasite. He gets caught stealing a bike and is made to pay the monetary value back plus other costs and such. Said bike thief now has no money left after having to pay out so just goes out and steals another bike/other item to make the money back because god forbid he go out and get a job.
So, in summary, corporal punishment is not really the answer in my opinion; making criminal pay back money is likely not an option either and really, nor is our prison system.
The best answer really is to toughen up prisons. I worked in a prison for about 18 months and still occasionally do a bit of weekend work there. I have absolutely no doubt that many of the inmates have better living conditions in prison than they do outside. There is nothing there to suggest that they are being punished aside from the fact that they're not allowed out. I would say it can be closely compared to a school but a prison generally has far better facilities.
The only people who would take prison seriously if they are sent there are the ones who don't need to be there (i.e. they've made a one off stupid mistake, maybe while they were drunk, and they deeply regret what they have done. These people don't need rehabilitating. It's the idiots that are constantly in and out that need to change, but they won't because they have a nice cushty life in prison.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 12 years, 28 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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