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PostPosted: 22:30 - 13 Feb 2014    Post subject: Anyone know their Art? EDIT - Essay on page 2 Reply with quote
I need to compare and contrast 2 pieces of art which have similar themes but are done by different artists but I don't really have any idea of what to pick, would like something interesting with hidden meaning, not a portrait of Charles II for example. Paintings need to be from the renaissance to romanticism period.

I quite like the following piece of Mary Magdalene by Georges Del La Tour:

https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/Clearancelines/Georges_de_La_Tour_009_zps1f98d713.jpg

I also like the one Domenica Feti did:

https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/Clearancelines/domenicofeti_therepentantstmarymagdalene_zps1684dd10.jpg

Would these be good to compare or are they too similar?

Anyone have any suggestions?
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I studied art but have forgot almost all I was taught about stuff that I do not like such as Romanticism, I love the art of the 20th C and the present.
The thing with Romanticism and the Renaissance is understanding the underlying symbolism of the work, in the piece by La Tour everything tells a story including the broken objects on the floor the girl is almost an irrelevance but the Feti piece is far more emotive. The bible and skull are just props, that painting is about the girl and her grief.
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Well she shouldn't have killed him and boiled the flesh from his skull.

Did I interpret it well Sir?
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Well she shouldn't have killed him and boiled the flesh from his skull.

Did I interpret it well Sir?

No!
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Look at the candle in the first painting, it is not truly reflected in the mirror and that will be intentional, it will signify something or other that would have been realised at the time.
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Also, in the top one, looking away creates a certain distance from the viewer, while the open top introduces a vulnerability and means you can wank to it.
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https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/Clearancelines/Georges_de_La_Tour_009_zps1f98d713.jpg She knew she shouldn't have done it, she knew that cutting his head off and then letting it sit in a bowl of maggots for a month was a terrible terrible thing to do. But honestly, what did he expect? No girl is ever going to be happy with the gift of a Bunsen burner for Valentine's day.
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https://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae74/Clearancelines/domenicofeti_therepentantstmarymagdalene_zps1684dd10.jpg
Jane sighed, she'd been all through the home medical dictionary but she couldn't leave it any longer, she should get down the doctors and get her left breast checked out.
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Rogerborg wrote:
Also, in the top one, looking away creates a certain distance from the viewer, while the open top introduces a vulnerability and means you can wank to it.


It started so well..... Laughing
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Why do you need hidden meaning? If it's not the monetary value of the painting you're interested in, pick the one you like. Find your own meaning. If it's not an investment, and purely for aesthetic appreciation, why would you buy what a complete stranger tells you to?

Personally, I prefer the 2nd painting - I think it is far more skilfully executed, and just generally a nicer picture. But that's me. You don't need mine or anybody else's opinion when it comes to what to like ( Rolling Eyes ) in art.
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 14 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
Why do you need hidden meaning?


Most paintings had hidden meanings...that's why. There is so much symbolism in art...in the olden days before print was readily available to the mass market, it was the only way for the creative to ridicule the monarchy, the church etc. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 14 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
Why do you need hidden meaning? If it's not the monetary value of the painting you're interested in, pick the one you like. Find your own meaning. If it's not an investment, and purely for aesthetic appreciation, why would you buy what a complete stranger tells you to?

Personally, I prefer the 2nd painting - I think it is far more skilfully executed, and just generally a nicer picture. But that's me. You don't need mine or anybody else's opinion when it comes to what to like ( Rolling Eyes ) in art.


Haha, please Shereen tell us when you're about to purchase a 'La Tour' - BCF will want to know why you're not hosting the next BBQ when you do Laughing
Aesthetically yes the 'Feti' is more pleasing but a lot of renaissance art (and later) interprets the events in the picture and someone like my g/f could tell you the significance of the items in the pic.
I can't because I'm a dullard but I'd say the candle is portraying a spiritual mortality, the mirror is a symbol of vanity and the skull represents Golgotha, signifying mortality.
What I want to know is what's the button all about (to the left of the candle holder)

Edit: On topic, as Ariel Badger said, is there much to be said about the 'Feti', it plainly portrays Magdalene's melancholy, as a subject she has many facets which are tricky to portray in just one picture. I'd have thought that for similar paintings there are better examples to find.
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https://www.jaydax.co.uk/lastsupper/lastsupper.htm

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chickenstrip wrote:
Why do you need hidden meaning? If it's not the monetary value of the painting you're interested in, pick the one you like. Find your own meaning. If it's not an investment, and purely for aesthetic appreciation, why would you buy what a complete stranger tells you to?

Personally, I prefer the 2nd painting - I think it is far more skilfully executed, and just generally a nicer picture. But that's me. You don't need mine or anybody else's opinion when it comes to what to like ( Rolling Eyes ) in art.


Clearly did not read my original post very well Laughing

I have to write a 5000 word essay by comparing and contrasting 2 similarly themed pieces of art. I'm not looking for someone to tell me what to like but any suggestions as to what I could write about would be helpful as art is not my subject and I am a complete novice. The painting should have hidden meaning as it will give me something to write about and it can often be linked to the historical context of the era/artist etc etc.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 15 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
mentalboy wrote:

What I want to know is what's the button all about (to the left of the candle holder)



Are you joking? Laughing Laughing Not sure if serious....... Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 15 Feb 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
shereen wrote:
Are you joking? Laughing Laughing Not sure if serious....... Shocked


I know nothing of art, but... The artist obviously took the time to paint that button. So I would guess it's there for a reason.
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In the first picture, her fingers look all fucked up. They are unrealistically curved. I suppose there is some hidden meaning behind that as well? Rolling Eyes
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shereen wrote:

Clearly did not read my original post very well Laughing



Ha, yeah, finding myself doing that a lot lately! I do like art (from an appreciation point of view, and mess about a bit myself; mainly watercolour, but have used acrylics, pencil etc) but don't think I could help here - like mentalboy said, bit of a dullard in that regard, probably obvious!

Good luck anyway!
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monteme0 wrote:
shereen wrote:
Are you joking? Laughing Laughing Not sure if serious....... Shocked


I know nothing of art, but... The artist obviously took the time to paint that button. So I would guess it's there for a reason.


Exactly! If it were in the 'Feti' you could probably write it off as decoration.
'La Tour' however is trying to portray more than just the moment. Mary Magdalene, the fallen woman, who loved Jesus had many sides to her which the artist will have tried to represent. The scene is not cluttered and yet we have something broken on the floor at her feet, a button and a rag on the top, all will have some meaning to the artist and probably his contemporary audience.
(Can you tell that I've got an art history buff for a g/f? )
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monteme0 wrote:
shereen wrote:
Are you joking? Laughing Laughing Not sure if serious....... Shocked


I know nothing of art, but... The artist obviously took the time to paint that button. So I would guess it's there for a reason.


My apologies! I thought you were talking about the white circle reflected in the mirror from the candle.

I thought you was a bit mental lol. Laughing

Yes everything in the picture will have hidden meanimg. If I decide to do the essay on these 2 pictures I will investigate the symbolism within them both.

La Tour's painting is very beautiful.
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a button and a rag on the top, all will have some meaning to the artist and probably his contemporary audience.


Oh, thats a rag? I thought it was a necklace to be honest as the woman isn't wearing one and it kind of looks as though she should be. So I did wonder if the button was actually a perl for the necklace.

... Or it might just be a button ripped from her top during an episode of froloking (god knows how you spell that).
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monteme0 wrote:
mentalboy wrote:
a button and a rag on the top, all will have some meaning to the artist and probably his contemporary audience.


Oh, thats a rag? I thought it was a necklace to be honest as the woman isn't wearing one and it kind of looks as though she should be. So I did wonder if the button was actually a perl for the necklace.

... Or it might just be a button ripped from her top during an episode of froloking (god knows how you spell that).


It may well be a necklace.
Interesting theory, considering her background! However I think you'll find the revealing blouse a more subtle hint of her past. As a subject to paint she was extemely popular and there are examples of Magdalene everywhere (although I don't recall seeing any in the Dali museum recently!)

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In real life I wouldn't ask, but seeing as it's only a painting, is Mary Magderwossname up the stick or has she just had a big dinner?
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In real life I wouldn't ask, but seeing as it's only a painting, is Mary Magderwossname up the stick or has she just had a big dinner?


Maybe Jesus gave her a stuffing before he popped it?
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shereen wrote:
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In real life I wouldn't ask, but seeing as it's only a painting, is Mary Magderwossname up the stick or has she just had a big dinner?


Maybe Jesus gave her a stuffing before he popped it?


Isn't that what the Da Vinci files say. Perhaps it IS true Shocked
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