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PostPosted: 17:26 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Bastard Insurance... Reply with quote

So I want to get a Street triple.. R if possible and I'm getting insurance quotes but my wife's accidents as a named driver on my car policy is crippling me.

It makes £150 difference for something I didn't do and on a vehicle she cant ride... do I need to declare this as it was on a car policy?
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the question the insurance company is asking, word-for-word?
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Bastard Insurance... Reply with quote

Doomsnite wrote:
do I need to declare this as it was on a car policy?

I'm in the same situation. I called my bike insurer and asked.

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: "Nah, not if it wasn't you and they're not on this policy. Um, wait, I'd better check. [topical popular music plays for quite some time] Uh, actually, boss says yes since the policy was in your name technically it was you making the claim."

Now I don't ask and don't tell and don't bother reading the wording too closely as by any reasonable interpretation, it shouldn't make a jot of difference to my risk and there's no intent to deceive, it's just an innocent difference in interpretation. Shhh!
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You all say 'bastard' like it's a bad thing....
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
You all say 'bastard' like it's a bad thing....


Being a bastard is the least of your worries... Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you must kill her. Twisted Evil







Then they would put it up because you are single again and as such a higher risk than a married man. Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the whole point of a named driver to be that the main driver takes a portion of the risk involved in insuring the driver that would have to pay a higher premium if they were just insuring themselves?

If that person crashes on your policy, you have to declare it on your future policies.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

But you can't have a policy each. That's illegal. And in the real world people, especially couples often share cars.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they check your history after you purchase though? wouldn't want a bill after the fact.

Its the standard bike insurer website question - "any accidents, claims or losses made against you or by you, irrespective of fault"

One accident the Mrs hit a wall, so we claimed, the other someone hit her so it went on their insurance. For that latter, surely i shouldn't mention it because i didn't claim and i didn't have the accident?
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
But you can't have a policy each. That's illegal.

Whoaaaaaa there. What offence, what act? Wink

Insurers have started saying this, but they're inveterate (and invertebrate) liars. There's nothing in law preventing there being two, ten or a hundred policies covering the same vehicle. All that matters is that there's at least one[*], and that anybody using it is covered while they're using it.

It's doubtless jolly inconvenient for them to have to decide how to update the MID with multiple policies, and I'm sure they'll foul it up by showing it as uninsured when one of them expires, but none of that makes it illegal.

[*] And not even that if you self insure.
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnPhonEh wrote:
Isn't the whole point of a named driver to be that the main driver takes a portion of the risk involved in insuring the driver that would have to pay a higher premium if they were just insuring themselves?

If that person crashes on your policy, you have to declare it on your future policies.

I get it on the car but why the bike? She can't ride and i didn't have an accident. There's no increased risk!
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew arry or Roger would know for sure Evil or Very Mad That's very interesting. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in exactly the same position. Comparison site (who's question is worded such that I clearly should mention it) suggests my wife's 50/50 accident as a named driver in my car is costing me £150 on a bike policy which she isn't on.

Come renewal time, like Roger, I plan to shop around on websites or over the phone, until someone asks the question in such a way as I interpet it differently.

Would like to think common sense would prevail if it ever came to arguing it, but then, insurance, so no.

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Two things we can learn from this thread (both should already have been obvious);
1) insurers are bastards
2) don't let the wife drive your car
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insurance companies always remind me of the song Master of the House, from Les Mis.

Hidden extra charges everywhere you look, or skimping out anywhere they can, all while claiming to be the best!
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
I knew arry or Roger would know for sure Evil or Very Mad That's very interesting. Evil or Very Mad


Yup, boils my piss the same was as it does his. There's innumerate (well at least half dozen) other little trinkets that I hear day to day repeated verbatim as if enshrined by law that were wrong when whoever have the bright idea spouted such bullshit in the first place and are still wrong now.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has got me thinking. I'm a names driver on my girlfriends car policy. Her driving isn't that great. If she has an accident will this affect me in any way?
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, because any claims on this policy, whether you or her driving, will go against HER driving history because it's in her name
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
No, because any claims on this policy, whether you or her driving, will go against HER driving history because it's in her name


I shall sleep well tonight. Cheers for clearing that up!
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

paddywinz wrote:
I'm a names driver on my girlfriends car policy. Her driving isn't that great. If she has an accident will this affect me in any way?

Not that way around, no. Don't expect consistency. Laughing

If I possibly could, I'd swap both my car policies over to Mrs Borg as she's the main driver (and named as such) on both of them, and more likely to prang them.

But Computer Says No. NCB is in my name, and in my name it shall stay forever and ever, amen. Brick Wall
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

So am I classed as claiming if we notify our insurance company that we we had an accident but their insurance is paying for it? Because that's all they could get me on as the accident question wouldn't apply as I wasn't driving.

Even if we could get past the interpretation, they could still stiff us if It comes up on some check.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is it: Have you, or anyone that will drive this vehicle, had any accidents, claims or convictions in the last (x) years?

But surely if my named driver has (on another vehicle), and I haven't, and they won't drive this vehicle then the answer is “No”.

Or am I reading this wrong?
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doomsnite wrote:
so am I classed as claiming if we notify our insurance company that we we had an accident but their insurance is paying for it?

You're classed as claiming if there's been a claim against your policy.

What events you need to tell them about depend on the wording of their questions and how you interpret it.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Doomsnite wrote:
so am I classed as claiming if we notify our insurance company that we we had an accident but their insurance is paying for it?

You're classed as claiming if there's been a claim against your policy.

What events you need to tell them about depend on the wording of their questions and how you interpret it.

So it says "any accidents, claims or losses made against you or by you, irrespective of fault" and as we didn't claim and I wasn't driving I should be off Scott free on that one.. 👍
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a central database for accidents, so it's hard to get around. However there is no such thing for points on your licence so they'll only know if you tell them or send in your licence for a claim...
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 24 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
There is a central database for accidents, so it's hard to get around. However there is no such thing for points on your licence so they'll only know if you tell them or send in your licence for a claim...


Which they will ask for if you have a claim...
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