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RogueCarl
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: pass light breaking my fuse Reply with quote

Hi all,

On my 2001 ER5 I have a dual headlight system with two H4 bulbs in. I only recently changed the second to a H4 as the previous owner had a poor LED bulb in it.
Essentially, the full beam works just fine unless I use the pass light, which blows the fuse for the headlights.

My thoughts; is there a resistor for the pass switch that's the wrong spec? The wiring for the pass switch is too high ampage? I doubt the latter though.

The Haynes isn't being of much help to a new kid like myself, and I bet some real expertise will know straight away what this is.

Thanks in advance Smile
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont know the ER5
guesses:
not using proper rated fuse?
Fault in the pass switch which is shorting to ground when used ?
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks,
I've checked the fuse and it matches up fine. As for the switch itself, that is certainly plausible but on the basis that it worked fine with the other bulb I shouldn't think so?
Carl.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something deeply screwy is happening here.


Under normnal circumstances:

A short between the fuse box and the switch would cause it to blow immediately when the bike is turned on.

A short between the pass switch and the bulb would cause the fuse to blow any time the lights are on high beam.

So. It's either an internal short in the switch itself or between the switch and the connector block OR someone's been fucking with it.

Given the fact it has non-standard lights fitted, I'd be going with the latter.

To check the former, you're looking at the black and red wires in the short bit of loom between the switchgear and it's connector block. One of them is from the full beam switch, the other is from the "pass" switch. They should both go into the same terminal in the connector block. It's a short piece of wire, any breaks should be obvious, it might have become detached from the terminal and be floating about (that's about the only logical thing I can think of).

If there is no kawasaki connecftor block on the end of that switchgear or you have scotchlocks hanging about there, you're in trouble and it's going to be almost impossable to troubleshoot via the internet.
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RogueCarl
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That there sounds like a very possible option! Thank you Very Happy

I'll pull it apart as soon as I can (tomorrow hopefully) and get back to y'all.

Any suggestions in the meantime then please shout out as I can check all options at once then.

Carl
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

as you have increased the load what size fuse do you have in ?
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd check the fuse value too. When you put full beam on normally, the dipped beam is turned off. Pass puts both filaments on, so lots more current.

H4 is 60/55W, so two of them with both filaments on is 330W, meaning a minimum of a 30A fuse is needed.

Edit - rubbish maths! 115W per bulb, 230W not 330W! So 20A minimum, probably actually 25A.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
I'd check the fuse value too. When you put full beam on normally, the dipped beam is turned off. Pass puts both filaments on, so lots more current.

H4 is 60/55W, so two of them with both filaments on is 330W, meaning a minimum of a 30A fuse is needed.

Edit - rubbish maths! 115W per bulb, 230W not 330W! So 20A minimum, probably actually 25A.


It would however only put both filaments on if the headlight was already on and dipped.

Easy test then. Try it with the headlight off, if the above is the case, the fuse won't blow.

Thing is. If the above turns out to be the case, don't just fit a bigger fuse. It's there to stop the wiring melting and it normally has a 10A fuse, implying the wiring is probably designed to carry 12 or 15A.

The easy thing to do in that case would be to simply disconnect the pass switch (pretty sure if you open up the switchgear, you can unscrew it). It's not required. The other solution would be to fit headlamp relays with heavier wiring.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 31 Mar 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

Thing is. If the above turns out to be the case, don't just fit a bigger fuse. It's there to stop the wiring melting and it normally has a 10A fuse, implying the wiring is probably designed to carry 12 or 15A.


Very true. I was thinking that the dual headlights were a standard fitting, and in the mists of time a fuse had been replaced with one that was too small - which was got away with as one of the headlights had an LED bulb.

If the original fitment was a single headlight, then the wiring may well not be up to the job in a fault condition. In actual use I wouldn't worry about putting 20A through that wiring for the short period that the pass switch is pressed, but obviously a short could cause a fire or damage the loom with the wrong fuse in.
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