Plane Doesn't Crash!

[Suntan Sid]

A Ryanair plane didn't crash, but the passengers want compo!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26756468

Plane has a pressurisation problem, pilot descends to 10,000ft, lands safely at Frankfurt.

So the pilot and the plane performed, exactly as they should, yet the
whingy, whiney, scroungin', bastid, passengers now want compo payouts.

to the lot of 'em!
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[Poseidon]

I'm normally against compo culture and people suing when there's nothing wrong with them, however, ryanair once dropped their baggage allowance from 20kgs to 15kgs, but kept it in the small print, with no mention in the booking that the T&Cs on baggage had changed within the last 14 days (I was travelling with them around every 6-8weeks at the time). I got charged over £100, each way for something that wouldn't have cost me a penny a few weeks earlier (I could've added an extra bag for the journey home, but the admin fee plus extra bag fee was about the same as the excess weight fee). Add on the hidden fees for my payment type, the taxes, the fee for printing out my own fucking boarding pass and the frankly miserable staff I seem to encounter every time I flew with them (the odd one was pleasant, but they were the exception, not the rule) and quite frankly ryanair can go fuck themselves. I hope they get rinsed in court.

I imagine O'Leary as a Scrooge McDuck type character, only with less personality and less compassion for his fellow man. As such I like to imagine him crying as he writes out the compo cheques for the completely uninjured passengers. If I was the judge I'd fuck with him... Say something like:

"Mr O'Leary, you are ordered to pay out £7500 to each person". Then bill him for £15000 per person, citing that court fees, taxes and admin fees for his chosen method of payment are the reason he's not paying the original amount.
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[BTTD]

Compo claim is bs. Ryan air are a bit scummy.

Tough call.

[Dave70]

Agreed.

O'Leary always comes across as something rather unpleasant that you'd scrape off the sole of your shoe. Hope he gets shafted by this, even though I think the passengers trying the claim need a slap.

[Im-a-Ridah]

[weasley]

[The Artist]

Choose cheapest airline, expect shittiest service.

As for the compo claim, what would they have rather happen, stay at cruising altitude and die?

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It's par for the course now with the PPI reclaim, No win no Fee, where there's blame, there's a claim culture.
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[Llama-Farmer]

I wish they would just fuck off.
Ryanair and the passengers suing them
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[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

[owl10]

wow, just wow.

Flying is the safest form of transport, but there is always still a risk, however minor.

Without knowing what caused the issue, all i will say is that over the years many fatal air accidents, near misses and the subsequent investigations have resulted in relative aircraft safety, both in product design and processes.

Its very possible the rapid descent could have actually saved her life (helios air had an infamous depressurisation, all died).

If anything, the aircrew's decision and the fact the aircraft didn't break up leaving her splattered over a german field proves the effectiveness both of the aircraft design and those processes

AFAIK there is nothing in the small print which tells you what height you can expect to fly at, nor what rates of climb and descent you will experience.

Perhaps she should be suing Boeing?

Ryan air are scum, but i hope her claim is booted out for the farce it is.
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[Llama-Farmer]

I don't know what was said after the aircraft levelled off and the flight deck workload was reduced back to an easily manageable level. But during an emergency descent there is no time for the crew to worry about the "cargo" (i.e. self-loading freight), they don't care if the passengers are scared and think they are going to die.

There is a rapid chain of events that trigger the need for such an emergency descent, and there is a need for an urgent response to that trigger.


Oxygen masks on, confirm oxygen flow, establish two way communication between yourself and the other flight crew.
Establish your minimum safe altitude AMSL (above mean sea level) to descent to (usually below 10,000 ft AMSL but in mountainous areas the ground is higher than that, so you need to work out how low you can go without crashing).
Make a radio call if the situation permits, not to ask for permission but to tell ATC and/or other aircraft your intentions, make it a pan pan (urgency) call if you can contact ATC, mayday (emergency) call if you can't, people will get out your way then.
During the descent you can begin to troubleshoot the issues requiring immediate attention, considering where to divert the aircraft to, establish communication with air traffic control if you haven't already.
Level off at your predetermined altitude. Implement the plans and diversion, get the new airfield plates (maps of the airport basically) up.

That is just a snapshot of the kind of things you're dealing with as a matter of priority.


Passengers are not a priority (thinking solely of flight safety here, not commercial interest), they do not need to know what is going on. Once the situation is under control, a briefing from the flight crew explaining what has happened (blah blah blah cabin pressure indicating abnormal blah blah for your safety blah blah descent blah blah as I'm sure you can understand we were a little busy so apologies we were not able to let you know sooner blah blah diverting to wherever landing in 20 minutes blah blah passenger safety is our number one priority thank you for your understanding and cooperation blahhhh).

Cabin crew cannot make an announcement to the passengers either, because they will have grabbed a mask and strapped in to the nearest available seat.


The biggest thing that annoys me whenever it makes the news that a planes oxygen masks dropped and the plane fell out the sky etc is some Billy Idiot interviewed by local news or some sensationalist redtop paper says that "the oxygen masks weren't working".
This is some shit spouted by passengers who think they know more than they actually do.
The O2 masks in nearly all aircraft supplemental oxygen systems are chemical oxygen non-rebreather masks, and the bags do not inflate.
Should be mentioned before every flight, but I have only once heard it mentioned, when flying as a passenger, that the bags will not inflate.





TL/DR passengers expecting an announcement need to use their common sense... the flight crew are concentrating on more important priorities. Passengers think they know things but they don't so come out with stupid statements to the media like the oxygen masks were broken.

In other words passengers who are complaining, MTFU.
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