Free 'JUGGERNAUT' security anchor + boring story

[rhys1005]

Hi members of BCF,

I posted several months ago about the possibility of starting a small business selling ground security anchors. This was because I was at the time building my own little fortress to keep my motorcycle (and three others) secure.

There was a lot of helpful information on this site to which chain to buy etc but not so much on anchors.. Especially to fit the 20mm+ chains (uncroppable) that are being sold these days.

The oxford ones and similar we're simply too small and they don't exactly have a reputation for being 'high quality'. Defiantly not something I would want to be 'securing' my £150 chain, £100+ lock and £7000 worth of bikes!

Logical choice was the a Y shaped anchor who's company name I won't mention.. But the price was over £100. This at the time was the only decent quality anchor I could find that could hold the larger chains, and also not look untidy (holes are level with the ground). So fair enough, it was secure and for just over £100 (£130 odd?) I could have peace of mind.

I bought the anchor..
First impressions: it's not stainless steel like I expected, it's been mig welded. Basically.. I could of done a lot better myself.

I did fit the anchor and although not impressed with it initially, it has done it's job ok thus far apart from the paint coming completely off from the inside and it not draining the water out properly. However I needed three more anchors as I had plans for another bike (ktm) to join the family, as did my dad.. Two infact (fzx750/Zzr).

A week later after some drawings, material purchase and welding I three anchors made. Stainless steel, tig welded by a Bentley employee and done for quite a bit cheaper then the £300+ I would of paid for less of a product.

I left it from there. Sold some to close friends, but never thought seriously about producing for small profit (was charging friends £30 which wasn't even enough to cover production cost).

So here I am. The anchors I produced have held up perfectly and have also might I add stopped two thefts of friends bikes that I believe a different anchor wouldn't have (with the aid of an Almax and abloy 362). One armed with a grinder. They don't get in the way of anything as the are sunk into the ground, and unlike the one I purchased they drain the water very well (so your not pulling out a freezing wet chain every morning!)

Logical thing now I think is to start producing them regularly from home. I don't care so much about profit or how many I sell. In my opinion if I can sell enough to cover the cost of the welder and plasma cutter, materials etc I'll need to purchase then.. I'm happy.


I want to give out three of these 'juggernaut' anchors (yes that's the brand name ) for free. Nothing beats free stuff and I honestly want to help out because of how much this forum has done for me (advice, knowledge, tips on good deals, friends the list goes on).

All I ask in return is you write a honest review of the product. It doesn't have to be quite as 'detailed' as tef's posts (sorry couldn't resist ) but I would appreciate it if you just put a few paragraphs.

For example your initial thoughts, how much you believe a fair price is for said product, the build quality and what could be improved. A small review after installation on how easy or hard it was to install / how secure it 'feels' (I know you never truly know until it's too late) would be very appreciated also.

Anyway, the products aren't cheap to make by any means so I will only be able to give out three at the moment. And I will select the first three who have been members of the site for a decent time but also I think I can trust to give a honest review, which means if I know you in real life I can't expect everyone else to trust that it's a unbiased review.. Sorry!

*These won't be prototypes.. they will be the products I will be selling, however as stainless steel is both expensive to purchase and work with I will be selling a cheaper version made out of painted mild steel. This version of the product will be the same dimensions etc and also be weather proof but whereas I would be confident to give a lifetime guarantee with the stainless steel, I would expect possible slight corrosion etc after 10 years.. Maybe I'm wrong as 99% of security products are mild steel but this is my honest thought. I will also give out some of these when they go into production*

Please comment 'me' if you want a free anchor and accept to write a review. I will contact you when the anchor is ready to be shipped, please be patient as this could be between 1-2 weeks while I sort out setting up a workshop etc. please leave your review in this thread so not to spam the main board.. Title review please so other users can see them easier.

Thank you very much and sorry for the long, boring post!

[CaNsA]

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[Tamsin]

likewise

[kramdra]

Interested but it will depend on the size of it, as somehow I will need to make a hole. I a somewhat doubtful you could make money (ie enough to live on) just doing this, but it may cover your costs - especially as it seems you are subcontracting the welding out?


1) What is wrong with the idea of it being MiG welded? Its not as neat as TiG but certainly adequate if done properly.

2) MiG can do a good job welding stainless, it just requires argon sheid gas instead of co2, same as TiG. Gas is quite expensive - mild steel MiG has a huge advantage that gasless wire can be used.


3) In my opinion there is ~£7 materials in a ground anchor, and it would take me less than an hour to make one (hand tools and mig, no plasma cutter) if it were not a one off (add a couple hours). It would honestly take me far longer to make the hole in ground (concrete garage) for it to fit.


4) If your not using stainless, zinc plating is probably a good idea, paint for extra resistance.

5) Will you be submitting your anchor to anyone for destructive testing i.e. to insure your design has no weak points.

[Eddie Hitler]

I'm unable to install an anchor where I live at the moment, otherwise I would bite your hand off and give a detailed write up. When I move and need one, I'll be in contact to buy one off you. Best of luck with it. .

[rhys1005]

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[rhys1005]

Interested but it will depend on the size of it, as somehow I will need to make a hole. I a somewhat doubtful you could make money (ie enough to live on) just doing this, but it may cover your costs - especially as it seems you are subcontracting the welding out?

No not enough to live on I'm afraid but it's something I've wanted to do for a long time, I'd consider it more of a hobby. If it helps people secure their pride and joy without breaking their banks, but also gives enough return I'm not losing money through labour etc then where is the harm? I'm not suggesting it's a get rich scheme.

People sell paintings, knitted clothes etc because they like to help out people and feel like they are contributing to something, even if it doesn't make them a lot of money. I've had my home broken into a lot of times as a child by thieving scrotes (not being from the best area) I'd rather the money in our pockets.. then people like them. But like I said it's one part of having your motorcycle secure. I would honestly rather you buy a decent chain and padlock if your short on money but live near a lamppost, then buy my product

1) What is wrong with the idea of it being MiG welded? Its not as neat as TiG but certainly adequate if done properly.

Nothing wrong infact I'm probably going to mig weld the other anchors. The problem was the quality of the welding. I'm positive it wouldn't take much pressure to knock the top off the anchor! However the 'parent metal' in most cases becomes carbon depleted near the weld during to weld process.

Obviously a lot of factors such as weld speed influence this (particularly the man behind the job) but we're going to have a highly skilled welder, and in his opinion for the smaller sections it's worth tig welding them for the ductile strength and consistency of the weld.

But for most mig is fine, I was actually thinking for more expensive bikes where it's worth that little extra time, money and build quality. We will see how things go and how both products stand up to testing.

2) MiG can do a good job welding stainless, it just requires argon sheid gas instead of co2, same as TiG. Gas is quite expensive - mild steel MiG has a huge advantage that gasless wire can be used.

I agree.


3) In my opinion there is ~£7 materials in a ground anchor, and it would take me less than an hour to make one (hand tools and mig, no plasma cutter) if it were not a one off (add a couple hours). It would honestly take me far longer to make the hole in ground (concrete garage) for it to fit.

Galvanised steel? What size box section and how much do you plan to buy for a reasonable discount? Can you promise consistency with hand tools and possibly scrap materials? How much do you plan to make off each product after £7 material cost (more then that realistically), zinc plating, painting, a hours labour for welding alone then shipping the product? What if your welder packs in.. Have you started to make enough to hand out another £200? How many do you plan to sell to cover all these costs, and make a profit?

It's definitely not a career or something to quit your day job over. But for a little extra money, doing something I enjoy doing.. even if to just give a friend a job. To me it's worth it.


4) If your not using stainless, zinc plating is probably a good idea, paint for extra resistance.

Galvanised steel

5) Will you be submitting your anchor to anyone for destructive testing i.e. to insure your design has no weak points.

Yes, We plan to upload a video (hopefully not too long) when the product is selling properly and everything is running smoothly. I know someone with decent filming equipment/ editing skills. I'm sure in Birmingham I wont struggle to find a few brutes/chavs to hack away at the anchor for a good while , I have faith in the product. I'll think of something unique to test it that's for sure




Currently on the list is;

1. CaNsA
2. Teflon-mike

Please make sure you can fit the ground anchor and write a review (to the possible 3rd person reading this). I'll include instructions on how to fit the anchor etc. to give an idea it took me about 15 minutes to dig the hole then it was just a case of laying a small base of gravel, placing in the anchor, then cementing it in. It isn't exactly made to come out so obviously make sure it's positioned correctly etc. you want it just below where you plan to wrap the chain through the frame. (All will be explained in the instruction).

Thanks, Rhys.




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[-Matt-]

Would love to take and try one but unfortunantely no longer in a place I can install those kind of anchors

I recall your thread ages ago though - glad to see you're taking the idea further, and nice to see you offering them out to people here first, good luck with it

[kramdra]

I didnt make the list then?


Sounds like a good idea if you enjoy it although if your not doing the welding yourself then Im not sure what "it" is. For the welder, there is plenty of opportunity to make a career fabricating bike accessorys.. I suggest not limiting to just security products.

[Teflon-Mike]

[kramdra]

Me


I thought it would be rude to reply with just "me" and tried to give some thought to the post...

[rhys1005]

[anthony_r6]

Have you got any pictures of it? Just so we can see what it is you're selling? Certainly sounds interesting though!
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[SQL]

I am very interested as I live in a pikey infested area, and if it stops them it will stop anything

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[mgh0]

[quote="rhys1005"
Currently on the list is;

1. CaNsA
2. Teflon-mike

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Nice, fairly sure I put myself forward, or is it the lack of gold blobs here?
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[rhys1005]

[lllN30lll]

So it's just a Y-Anchor clone?
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