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PostPosted: 12:21 - 16 Apr 2014    Post subject: the scottish airforce/navy if they get independance Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUdzVnZBaoY
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 16 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrong link?
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 16 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

was thinking the same.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 16 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry your right, changed now,
oh and get fucked rogerborg
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 16 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still shows a really odd video. Something to do with a small plane landing on a short runway on a ship at sea, with some groovy dad music.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 16 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looks hairy even with good weather. Surprised

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PostPosted: 16:28 - 16 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:
sorry your right, changed now,
oh and get fucked rogerborg


It's just a rating.. don't rage. Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 16 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bumpy landing... ought to have done better considering the relative speed Laughing


Reminds me of when we used to go gliding in 30+ kt headwinds... you could winch launch and get to 1000ft and you were behind your starting point... when you come in to land you'd have to dive to make forward progress, then round out and you'd practically stop, people could grab the wing tips and pull you down.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 16 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it's got to be better than the British Navy, there's feck all left of it, 20 odd ships. Around the Falklands war we had 3 times that, in the second world war around 10 times that.

Nice landing though.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 16 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

kawakid wrote:
Well it's got to be better than the British Navy, there's feck all left of it, 20 odd ships. Around the Falklands war we had 3 times that, in the second world war around 10 times that.

Nice landing though.



79 active vessels iirc.
No need for the UK to have such a big navy anymore, technology has advanced to mitigate the need for so many vessels and personnel. We're seeing it with the Air Force as well.
Although there is a lot going on in terms of nuclear-powered (note, POWERED, not nuclear-armed) submarine fleet replacement.

Making sure you have a decent aircraft carrier with some fucking aircraft would have been a good idea before scrapping the old carrier & Sea Harrier fleet.
Politicians trading jobs every cabinet reshuffle are the ones who make decisions though... one week they're in charge of Transport, the next they're in charge of Education, then its the Military.


Protecting British waters commercially (Operation Tapestry, protection of fishing rights and oil/gas extraction) was assisted by the RAF Nimrods, the Navy had some slack to pick up when the new Nimrod MRA4 was scrapped and the old MR2s phased out.


Most of the Navy fleet and personnel is spent in recurrent training/exercises in preparation for various planned and potential deployments.


Currently the Royal Navy's Standing Deployments are:
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1 Response Force Task Group
2 Fleet Ready Escort (FRE)
3 Nuclear Deterrent (Trident)
4 Atlantic Patrol Task (North)
5 Atlantic Patrol Task (South)
6 Falkland Islands Patrol Task
7 East-of-Suez
8 Combined Task Forces
9 NATO Response Force
10 Mine Countermeasures Force (MCMFOR)
11 Fishery Protection Squadron


So they're pretty busy still. Should have got a decent nuclear-powered fixed-wing aircraft carrier with EMALS (electromagnetic aircraft launch system) which is basically a newer more efficient version of the "conventional" steam CATOBAR (catapult-assisted take off but arrested recovery) system, which allows for aircraft with a heavier fuel & weapons payload, therefore more firepower and bigger operating range/endurance than the ski-jump and short-takeoff aircraft the British navy loves so much.

UK should have seen this coming but they fanny about a lot which you can't do when you have got such a small fleet. Needed a new design ages ago, like an updated version of the US Nimitz-class aircraft carriers.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 16 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:

oh and get fucked rogerborg


He's a busy cunt aint he. Laughing

And regarding the video, that's proper cool. Not seen that before. Assuming it's because of a headwind. Awesome! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 17 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:
sorry your right, changed now,
oh and get fucked rogerborg

Your rage is like manna to me.

It's still confusing: how is Scotchland going to afford a whole container ship? Maybe on a payday loan, if anyone here worked.






And now the Teffers. There's nothing new under the sun. In WWII, there were plenty of CVE "escort carriers" built by just laying a deck on a freighter. The crews hated them, referring to them as "Combustible, Vulnerable, Expendable."
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PostPosted: 07:59 - 17 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben-B wrote:
EMALS (electromagnetic aircraft launch system)


So you're telling me that the Navy had the option of firing fighter jets down a giant railgun, but decided against it?! Fun sponges.

At least install ONE so that somebody could drop a ball bearing in and see what happens.
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PostPosted: 08:12 - 17 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't we going to be allowed to have some space on the cheese eating surrender monkeys' aircraft carrier?

If I was the First Sea Lord I'd demand some sort of fence between our planes and theirs in case they surrender and we want to carry on a bit longer.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 17 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good call. On the Eurofighter precedent, they'd just repaint the roundels and claim those planes must have been their all along, maintenant, 'oo wantz ay bargane?
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 17 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
Ben-B wrote:
EMALS (electromagnetic aircraft launch system)


So you're telling me that the Navy had the option of firing fighter jets down a giant railgun, but decided against it?! Fun sponges.

At least install ONE so that somebody could drop a ball bearing in and see what happens.


Yeah the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers were going to be a short take-off but arrested recovery (STOBAR) which used a ski ramp and SVTOL F35 Lightning II (Harrier replacement), but then they decided to use an electromagnetic catapult so the aircraft could carry more weapons and more fuel. So they went about changing the system.


THEN they did another u-turn and decided fuck it lets not bother, go for the shitter system, waste even more taxpayers money and look like we have even less than "no idea what we're doing"
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PostPosted: 02:37 - 18 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

All well and good but 15-20 years into the carriers life most of the aircraft flying off them will likely be drones.

Reason EMALS would have been chosen is because as a turbine powered ships they lack boilers and hence the steam required for traditional catapults.

They'll probably be fitted down the line anyway, at least it's looking likely both will come into service now.
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PostPosted: 04:11 - 18 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Wobbly Orange wrote:
All well and good but 15-20 years into the carriers life most of the aircraft flying off them will likely be drones.

Reason EMALS would have been chosen is because as a turbine powered ships they lack boilers and hence the steam required for traditional catapults.

They'll probably be fitted down the line anyway, at least it's looking likely both will come into service now.


If they'd gone for nuclear powered they could have bled steam off from the turbines to use in conventional steam catapult... like the Nimitz class aircraft carriers.

But EMALS is a much better system in virtually every way.

Steam catapults are only about 5% efficient... EMALS would be lighter, take up less space, much more controlled so catapult can accelerate more gradually (still incredibly quickly, but) reducing stress to airframe, is more reliable, requires less maintenance, can be reloaded/reused more quickly and uses less energy but generates more power.

Which is why the new US Navy Gerald R Ford class aircraft carriers will use EMALS despite having the nuclear powered steam generators which would allow for steam catapult.
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PostPosted: 05:04 - 18 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting (to some people)... During a catapult launch, the pilot will have their hands off the controls, with the exception I think of the old Phantom F4.
Left hand locked behind the thrust levers or on a pull-out handle, throttle friction set to max in order to keep the thrust levers at 100% full reheat, right hand off the stick, usually holding a handle on the canopy (so the catapult officer can see the pilots hand is off controls).


There are multiple reasons for this, but the reasons are all because of the massive acceleration.

- During horizontal-plane linear acceleration, your vestibular system, in the inner ear, perceives a pitching up/leaning backwards sensation. Somatogravic illusion. Instinct is to oppose this by pushing the stick forwards (and that'd result in you very quickly meeting the sea).

- The sudden acceleration can cause your arms to get left behind... i.e. to come away from the controls... in a similar way that a pillions head might if you accelerate a bike quickly, except on a much greater scale. This may result in pulling on the stick, unsettling a dynamically unstable aircraft at lower-than-sustainable-flight-speed. Not good.


On the older aircraft you would set the "trim" before launch and this will guide the aircraft into the correct climb attitude. Modern carrier-based jets have computers which you input various parameters into which will control the jet off the deck, and into the climb.

As soon as the aircraft leaves the deck, the phenomenal acceleration stops instantly and "it's like you hit jell-o" to quote one former US naval aviator.
(in the video at the bottom notice how the pilots head jolts forwards as soon as they're airborne... the way the acceleration suddenly stops is the equivalent of massive deceleration instead)

In fact, the acceleration doesn't actually stop, you're still accelerating very quickly from the after burning engines, but they are nothing like the catapult, so it is perceived to have stopped accelerating.



I have a friend who's an RAF fast jet jockey currently on exchange with the US Navy. He'd been flying fast jets for about 7 years before doing a carrier launch, so he is very familiar with the acceleration of a fast jet, yet he described the acceleration of a catapult launch as "incomprehensible".

If you think a motorbike accelerates quickly, well a steam catapult will fire a 22 tonne jet from 0-165 mph in under 2 seconds.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgchJYJFQG8
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 18 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Still shows a really odd video. Something to do with a small plane landing on a short runway on a ship at sea, with some groovy dad music.


Here's a link for you wild young people:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaIbpSaEoYc
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