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 Posted: 12:21 - 16 Apr 2014 Post subject: the scottish airforce/navy if they get independance |
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Bumpy landing... ought to have done better considering the relative speed
Reminds me of when we used to go gliding in 30+ kt headwinds... you could winch launch and get to 1000ft and you were behind your starting point... when you come in to land you'd have to dive to make forward progress, then round out and you'd practically stop, people could grab the wing tips and pull you down. ____________________ Current Bike: 1999 Honda CB600 FX Hornet
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| kawakid wrote: | Well it's got to be better than the British Navy, there's feck all left of it, 20 odd ships. Around the Falklands war we had 3 times that, in the second world war around 10 times that.
Nice landing though. |
79 active vessels iirc.
No need for the UK to have such a big navy anymore, technology has advanced to mitigate the need for so many vessels and personnel. We're seeing it with the Air Force as well.
Although there is a lot going on in terms of nuclear-powered (note, POWERED, not nuclear-armed) submarine fleet replacement.
Making sure you have a decent aircraft carrier with some fucking aircraft would have been a good idea before scrapping the old carrier & Sea Harrier fleet.
Politicians trading jobs every cabinet reshuffle are the ones who make decisions though... one week they're in charge of Transport, the next they're in charge of Education, then its the Military.
Protecting British waters commercially (Operation Tapestry, protection of fishing rights and oil/gas extraction) was assisted by the RAF Nimrods, the Navy had some slack to pick up when the new Nimrod MRA4 was scrapped and the old MR2s phased out.
Most of the Navy fleet and personnel is spent in recurrent training/exercises in preparation for various planned and potential deployments.
Currently the Royal Navy's Standing Deployments are:
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1 Response Force Task Group
2 Fleet Ready Escort (FRE)
3 Nuclear Deterrent (Trident)
4 Atlantic Patrol Task (North)
5 Atlantic Patrol Task (South)
6 Falkland Islands Patrol Task
7 East-of-Suez
8 Combined Task Forces
9 NATO Response Force
10 Mine Countermeasures Force (MCMFOR)
11 Fishery Protection Squadron
So they're pretty busy still. Should have got a decent nuclear-powered fixed-wing aircraft carrier with EMALS (electromagnetic aircraft launch system) which is basically a newer more efficient version of the "conventional" steam CATOBAR (catapult-assisted take off but arrested recovery) system, which allows for aircraft with a heavier fuel & weapons payload, therefore more firepower and bigger operating range/endurance than the ski-jump and short-takeoff aircraft the British navy loves so much.
UK should have seen this coming but they fanny about a lot which you can't do when you have got such a small fleet. Needed a new design ages ago, like an updated version of the US Nimitz-class aircraft carriers. ____________________ Current Bike: 1999 Honda CB600 FX Hornet
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| hmmmnz wrote: | sorry your right, changed now,
oh and get fucked rogerborg |
Your rage is like manna to me.
It's still confusing: how is Scotchland going to afford a whole container ship? Maybe on a payday loan, if anyone here worked.
And now the Teffers. There's nothing new under the sun. In WWII, there were plenty of CVE "escort carriers" built by just laying a deck on a freighter. The crews hated them, referring to them as "Combustible, Vulnerable, Expendable." ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Good call. On the Eurofighter precedent, they'd just repaint the roundels and claim those planes must have been their all along, maintenant, 'oo wantz ay bargane? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Interesting (to some people)... During a catapult launch, the pilot will have their hands off the controls, with the exception I think of the old Phantom F4.
Left hand locked behind the thrust levers or on a pull-out handle, throttle friction set to max in order to keep the thrust levers at 100% full reheat, right hand off the stick, usually holding a handle on the canopy (so the catapult officer can see the pilots hand is off controls).
There are multiple reasons for this, but the reasons are all because of the massive acceleration.
- During horizontal-plane linear acceleration, your vestibular system, in the inner ear, perceives a pitching up/leaning backwards sensation. Somatogravic illusion. Instinct is to oppose this by pushing the stick forwards (and that'd result in you very quickly meeting the sea).
- The sudden acceleration can cause your arms to get left behind... i.e. to come away from the controls... in a similar way that a pillions head might if you accelerate a bike quickly, except on a much greater scale. This may result in pulling on the stick, unsettling a dynamically unstable aircraft at lower-than-sustainable-flight-speed. Not good.
On the older aircraft you would set the "trim" before launch and this will guide the aircraft into the correct climb attitude. Modern carrier-based jets have computers which you input various parameters into which will control the jet off the deck, and into the climb.
As soon as the aircraft leaves the deck, the phenomenal acceleration stops instantly and "it's like you hit jell-o" to quote one former US naval aviator.
(in the video at the bottom notice how the pilots head jolts forwards as soon as they're airborne... the way the acceleration suddenly stops is the equivalent of massive deceleration instead)
In fact, the acceleration doesn't actually stop, you're still accelerating very quickly from the after burning engines, but they are nothing like the catapult, so it is perceived to have stopped accelerating.
I have a friend who's an RAF fast jet jockey currently on exchange with the US Navy. He'd been flying fast jets for about 7 years before doing a carrier launch, so he is very familiar with the acceleration of a fast jet, yet he described the acceleration of a catapult launch as "incomprehensible".
If you think a motorbike accelerates quickly, well a steam catapult will fire a 22 tonne jet from 0-165 mph in under 2 seconds.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 303 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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