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Andy9934
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Hand/palm armour on gloves Reply with quote
I'm looking to get some bigger gloves as mine are a bit uncomfortable on the fingers but I'm surprised to see how few have armour on the heel/palm of the hand.

My current Richa ones do and it doesn't interfere with my grip or control at all, and from my many launches on a pushbike as a kid I know that it's human instinct to put the palms out to protect the face.


How come it's not more common on otherwise well armoured gloves? Along with the hips, head and elbow I feel like it is an area I would not want unprotected.
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Surely if you armour that area rather than breaking your hand/wrist is just transfers the force further up and breaks something else?

I've not seen any top end gloves with palm armour, and I've always thought it would be down to feel.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/damaja/image-6.jpg
I had a small off once, the padding in the glove stopped me from bruising my hand. Does palmour get much more substantial than that?
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was just going to ask for a pic of the palms of your Richa gloves so we could see what you mean by "armour", then saw Tungtvann's pic, which illustrates what I had just typed: Most bike gloves use extra layers of leather/kevlar in strategic places in the palms.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think that the Knox Handroid gloves have these. I think they call it 'scaphoid protection'.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
I think that the Knox Handroid gloves have these. I think they call it 'scaphoid protection'.


Yes, the scaphoids include all the little bones in the hand/wrist area - they are commonly cracked/broken in bike spills because as previously noted, the natural reaction is to put your palms outward to protect from a fall - the impact then damages these bones. So Kevlar etc here is designed to absorb some of the impact force.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Hand/palm armour on gloves Reply with quote
Armour is to protect from impact generally.

Extra layers to protect from abrhasion.

While I've worn through palms a few times, it's never caused me an injury.

As far as impact goes, it can dissipate force across space and time.

There's not much you can do with the 'space' bit really and time requires thick sections to slow down the transference of the force.
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Islander
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
MarJay wrote:
I think that the Knox Handroid gloves have these. I think they call it 'scaphoid protection'.


Yes, the scaphoids include all the little bones in the hand/wrist area - they are commonly cracked/broken in bike spills because as previously noted, the natural reaction is to put your palms outward to protect from a fall - the impact then damages these bones. So Kevlar etc here is designed to absorb some of the impact force.


The scaphoid is a specific bone that's important in thumb articulation. Damage that and you can end up with real problems for your hand. Hence the armour specifically designed to offer protection to that one bone.
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chickenstrip
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Islander wrote:
The scaphoid is a specific bone that's important in thumb articulation. Damage that and you can end up with real problems for your hand. Hence the armour specifically designed to offer protection to that one bone.


Ah, thanks for putting me right on that. I seem to remember reading that the term included a whole group of bones, but obviously not.

I was once told by a doctor that more money was sued for in mis-diagnosis (or missed diagnosis) of cracked scaphoids than all the other bones in the body put together.
It took a second referral and x-ray to find a crack when I did this - it is apparently very important to immobilise the relevant thumb during the healing process, with a plaster cast or brace, so that it heals properly, or, as you said Islander, it can cause a lot of grief later.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:
as you said Islander, it can cause a lot of grief later.


Yep, my scaphoid has been fucked since about 1992 and this is after corrective surgery...
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Andy9934
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://i.imgur.com/LNqKmbK.png

Mine have heels like this. Thinking about it, I am worried about abrasion injuries here so a little kevlar would be arguably more useful... and it's much less obvious in photos than hard plastic so I guess I'll just have to pay attention to the descriptions!
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Islander
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's intended to provide scaphoid protection. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Some of my gloves.

Far left is by GP leathers. Very lightweight... I wore a hole in them. Ok for town riding in summer.
Next is RST. Horrid glove that made my hands bright red when it rained. Had a bit more protection though.
The RST winterglove. Horrid glove that seemed to make my hands sweat no matter what the temperature. Protection felt good but velcro quality poor and they let water in.
Far right A* have been decent so far. Protection feels good.

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PostPosted: 22:29 - 03 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rukka Argosaurus, best gloves I've owned.

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PostPosted: 01:34 - 05 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Every time I've gone down, I've scuffed up gloves only over the heel of my hand. Stingray, superfabric or other material designed to slide is really useful there and is beginning to catch on. Held are into this in a big way, my Saron summer gloves are pretty thin on top but have a decent palm slider.

I suspect if I had a screen or fairing, that'd be the first thing to make me demand hard knuckle armour.
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