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 Posted: 23:42 - 11 May 2014 Post subject: New Rider ~ Looking for Advice! |
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Hey all,
I've decided to skip driving lessons and such as to be honest in the long run it's going to cost me an arm and a leg, and to be frank I've always had a soft spot for a bike .
Basically me and a friend are going to re-do our CBT tests and continue the biking route, stick with a bike and then upgrade and try pass the A1 / Mod1&2 tests etc, but firstly we are seeking advice on the main problem I think all new bikers are having, and that's which bike to choose?
We are in love with choppers, and cruisers. Unfortunately we don't really find those R125's or super bikes appealing, but would rather sit on a cruiser. We have set aside roughly £1000 each and we've found that it is extremely hard to find just the right bike to choose, and with little experience of bikes we thought we'd join and ask a/this forum a question; what bikes are there?
~ We'd like your thoughts or advice on which bikes to look out for. To give you a kind of feeling for what we like here are a few of the names of bikes you've probably seen a hundred times, that we are interested in...
(Obviously 125cc!)
AJS Regal Raptor
AJS Daytona
Pioneer Nevada
I hope you can give us a heads up, thanks in advance.  |
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 Posted: 07:57 - 12 May 2014 Post subject: Re: New Rider ~ Looking for Advice! |
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| Manchop wrote: | re-do our CBT tests |
Which makes you at least 18, likely 19.
If you're 19, skip the tiddler and go straight for an A2 training course and tests.
You may have missed it, but licensing has changed. You can sit tests on your own 125 but that only gives you an A1 license to ride 125s. You're essentially wasting your time on a tiddler now: to get a license for anything bigger then you'll have to do your tests on a bigger bike sooner or later. Might as well be sooner.
So tests, Virago 535 / 650 / 750 /story.
If you really must get a 125 then try and stay Japanese to minimise depreciation when you come to your senses. My top choice would be a YBR Custom, but you'll struggle to find one in budget as people tend to over-value them. An older XVS 125 can be had in your budget.
If you really must go off-brand then go by condition, not badge. I'd rather have a good example of a mediocre bike than a lemon. You can only buy bikes that are actually for sale, and holding out for a particular model will see you compromising on condition.
The other option are commuter bikes with some cruiserish styling: GN125, CM125 and the modern copies like the HN125-8 / Lexmoto Vixen. There HN/Vixen in particular has a strong owner community and it has the overwhelming merit of being really cheap to buy, which means you'll likely lose less on it when you punt it on. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| Andy1994 wrote: | Hi there ive been looking quickly at some for you keep to anything thats not chinese.
kawasaki bn125
Suzuki gz125
Yamaha xv125
Yamaha xvs125
Honda vt125
£1000 is decent just when you look at the bikes check eveything is good and when you have on keep ot maintained and i will be sweet. Also its always good to do your test on your own bike you want for the license as you will learning how to ride the bike your going to be using. I could only find these for the price range so hope i was any help. |
Yeah it's a decent starting price when looking for a bike I presume, and I really do like the look of the VT125, the kind of style we are looking for. I mean we are looking at around one or two months yet before we start anything because my friend will be going away, but I'll be on the look out for nice bikes. And I do recall seeing people talking about these "chinese" bikes, I'm guessing their not a respectable label, by the looks of things haha.
thanks for the insight!
| Bunny Lingus wrote: | Ain't really my thing cruisers & choppers but I did used to have a Honda CM125 & a Yamaha SR125. The Honda was a twin cylinder & was lardy & slow & the Yammy was a single & also very slow. The handling on both was poo & I put that down to weight & the wheelbase being longer than other 125s. With little bikes, lightness is all important. 125s chuck out around 12 hp which ain't a lot. You wanna have fun riding it so less weight means more go. Cruisers are usually heavy which is why I've never liked 'em. The lightest 125s are usually off road or sports bikes. Looks ain't everything. Fun is. If I had a grand to blow on a little bike it would be a Japanese two stroke eighties dirtbike like a DT 125 or a TS 125... |
Yeah i understand what you mean, and it's a fair opinion but if it came to it I think we'd still pick a cruiser over most other things going currently . We've looked at DT 125's and to be honest the amount of people riding one of those or bikes like Motorcross around these areas is ridiculous, and unfortunately they are the scum of the earth around here, that's the off put. TLDR? "Chavs."
Thanks
| trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote: | Please I beg of you - just get a cg or ybf, ride it into the ground and then get full license. Most of these 125 "choppers" or cruisers are overweight chutney rustlers that won't go round corners and are about as credible as faux leather chaps. Seriously - I will cleanse your face with fire if you buy one of these stupid things. |
Haha, I'll take your advice but I really don't like the look of those two bikes you've mentioned. Both of us are big and I don't feel we'd do a bike justice, if that makes sense, haha. I have seen people talking about the choppers and chinese scheme of things and it is quite off putting. Ass-less Chaps are the way forward... he...he... joking. :p
Cheers mate :-p
| wr6133 wrote: | From your list I'd take the Nevada. It's got a large and fairly active owners club and your budget easily gets you a near mint example. I had a Jinlun JL125-11 looked after properly it was ok (now I have the 250 version). Wouldn't bother with the Regal Raptors same twin engine as the Jinluns but they seem to have a premium price just to have "AJS" written on the tank, also parts for Pioneers and Jinluns are easy and cheap, AJS parts are not as readily available. Jinlun JL125-11 or 125-13 are good options but it's harder to find a good example than a pioneer now, the Jinluns use a copy of a CB twin that fills out the frame a little more than the CG single copy in the nevada.
Chinese Cruisers require a fair bit of owner attention though all that chrome loves rust, you can keep it looking pristine but it takes some work and elbow grease. If you want something to just use, park and forget about they may not be for you. |
Yeah, funnily enough my friend's first bike idea is the Pioneer Nevada and he loves it and he is determined to get one, and I really really love the look of that Jinlun JL125-11, that looks very good. And we do intend to keep the bikes pristine if we can and when we can, and look after them for some time. Thanks for the insight, going to look into those Jinlun's now!
| Rogerborg wrote: | | Manchop wrote: | re-do our CBT tests |
Which makes you at least 18, likely 19.
If you're 19, skip the tiddler and go straight for an A2 training course and tests.
You may have missed it, but licensing has changed. You can sit tests on your own 125 but that only gives you an A1 license to ride 125s. You're essentially wasting your time on a tiddler now: to get a license for anything bigger then you'll have to do your tests on a bigger bike sooner or later. Might as well be sooner.
So tests, Virago 535 / 650 / 750 /story.
If you really must get a 125 then try and stay Japanese to minimise depreciation when you come to your senses. My top choice would be a YBR Custom, but you'll struggle to find one in budget as people tend to over-value them. An older XVS 125 can be had in your budget.
If you really must go off-brand then go by condition, not badge. I'd rather have a good example of a mediocre bike than a lemon. You can only buy bikes that are actually for sale, and holding out for a particular model will see you compromising on condition.
The other option are commuter bikes with some cruiserish styling: GN125, CM125 and the modern copies like the HN125-8 / Lexmoto Vixen. There HN/Vixen in particular has a strong owner community and it has the overwhelming merit of being really cheap to buy, which means you'll likely lose less on it when you punt it on. |
Hehe, currently we are now 22, we did our CBT quite a while ago and bought two crappy mopeds when we were young, lost interest and let them rot away. I wouldn't mind going for the higher bike tests but the problem is I am no longer confident on the road currently on a bigger geared bike than a 125, though restricting them may be an option. The tests are quite expensive (Roughly £450-£500 I believe for A1/A2?) which would put a dent in the money saved up currently for the bike, but it is also an option. I have seen bikes higher than 125's that are actually cheaper, which to me doesn't make much sense haha.
The XVS 125 does look very nice and tidy, I do prefer to have the dragstar version I believe? XVS Dragstar 125, that looks amazingly cool and fits just the ticket, but the finding one is the problem currently. The GN125 and CM125 are ok, but I have a strong fetish for "chunky" looking bikes, which is very hard to explain, haha. I think the the Daytona 125 has a very good shape, and is quite wide-"looking" which is what I really do like in bikes, though their reputation it seems on top of price is a bit off putting.
Thanks for the information mate, I'll look into the A1/A2 tests and have a look at them properly!
| tbourner wrote: | Is that £1000 to include gear as well? As that leaves you with not much for a bike!
As borg said; depending on age it's best to go bigger. I would even recommend spending your savings on getting the licence - just go and do a course with some school on the appropriate size bike for your age, get the licence in the bag then look at a bike. |
Another friend bought biking gear recently and has found out last Christmas his parents randomly got him a car, I have that gear now! (Helmet, Gloves, Trousers, Jacket, Boots, GPS Holder, Hi-Vis.. among other things)
I do understand about spending the money on the licence then your options are a lot broader and you can really have a good look around, though it's an irritating feeling around where we live where we just want to at least of something worth while that we can take pride in, be able to get away from the area whenever we feel etc. Our jobs are pretty much terrible, and where we live (West Midlands, Willenhall/Wolverhampton) the job opportunities are extremely bad haha, unfortunately. Thus we have in-come but steadily from our current jobs. Though we will find a way
Thanks for the insight!
- I did leave out a bit of information on the original post.
Age: 22
Location: West Midlands ~ Not too far from Staffordshire
Current License: ~Retaking CBT or Looking into A1/A2 as of today also
- Another question would be where are you finding money-worth bikes currently? We are checking Gumtree, Autotrader and random websites online and not finding a whole lot, but we are finding some. |
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