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PostPosted: 19:51 - 11 Jul 2014    Post subject: Electric vs. Petrol Supermoto Shootout: 2014 Zero FX vs DRZ Reply with quote

Just stumbled onto this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pug_09Wj9cE which has tickled my electrical taste buds. Not a lot of info other than the ridiculous price, and don't get me wrong, it'll take a lot more than that for me to PX my LC4. And at a lot less cost. But I sure wouldn't mind a go on an electric in those circumstances. Not sure you can really compare it to a drz but its made me consider yet again how the future of electric in dirt/sm could potentially pan out.

And here's the zero site https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-fx/ of whose bikes need to upgrade to some water cooled motors if you ask me. And just use the SR motor in the FX Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 11 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: Electric vs. Petrol Supermoto Shootout: 2014 Zero FX vs Reply with quote

The DRZ is a commuter supermoto that doesn't weigh silly amounts.

A better comparison might be a SM converted 125cc enduro bike.

But then a bike that weighs a chunk less, costs a lot less and can still do more than 15 miles at speed isn't going to make the electric bike look so good.

I do like various aspects of electrics.
One of the obvious benefits of them in the UK is sound - no NIMBYs can justify their moaning when they hardly make a sound.

Seems the electric bike got beat by a rather hefty Honda XL.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 11 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: Electric vs. Petrol Supermoto Shootout: 2014 Zero FX vs Reply with quote

G wrote:
The DRZ is a commuter supermoto that doesn't weigh silly amounts.

Saw a pretty tricked out DRZ today in Pembroke that was making a great noise. Surprisingly meaty!
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 11 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: Electric vs. Petrol Supermoto Shootout: 2014 Zero FX vs Reply with quote

All bark and no bite Wink.

Ok. You can get some ok power out of them and reduce the weight a bit - but reliability will suffer and why bother when you can get a Husaberg 650 that will weigh a good chunk less and have the hand grenade acceleration to go with the similar reliability characteristics Smile.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 11 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: Electric vs. Petrol Supermoto Shootout: 2014 Zero FX vs Reply with quote

G wrote:
All bark and no bite Wink.

Ok. You can get some ok power out of them and reduce the weight a bit - but reliability will suffer and why bother when you can get a Husaberg 650 that will weigh a good chunk less and have the hand grenade acceleration to go with the similar reliability characteristics Smile.

Ah, the old "you won't enjoy it long, but you'll know you've enjoyed it" argument!
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PostPosted: 00:35 - 12 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: Electric vs. Petrol Supermoto Shootout: 2014 Zero FX vs Reply with quote

Just browsing on a different subject and was looking up relative energy density:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density
Petrol has 50 - 100x higher specific energy (by weight) when compared to modern batteries. AND you can 'recharge' it in 30 seconds or so (with some associated faffing to pay for your recharge.)

Anti-matter, however, from that link, looks like the technology we want to be looking into Razz.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 12 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: Electric vs. Petrol Supermoto Shootout: 2014 Zero FX vs Reply with quote

G wrote:
Just browsing on a different subject and was looking up relative energy density:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density
Petrol has 50 - 100x higher specific energy (by weight) when compared to modern batteries. AND you can 'recharge' it in 30 seconds or so (with some associated faffing to pay for your recharge.)

Anti-matter, however, from that link, looks like the technology we want to be looking into Razz.


But that's even more costly than anything else, so could take decades or century's before that's a feasible option.

I still wonder if lithium ion or some other yet to be discovered battery technology might evolve to yield better power to weight and size ratio, in the future of two and four wheels alike. Hopefully at the cost of alkaline cells Laughing .
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 12 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: Electric vs. Petrol Supermoto Shootout: 2014 Zero FX vs Reply with quote

Lithium ion is certainly getting better.

To my mind there are a lot of good possibilities for it already, but the public and legislation isn't really open to them.

For instance in some countries you have legally have 750w or 1000w electric push bikes still considered the same as normal push bikes - which seems it should be an ideal solution to a lot of town commuters.

I also reckon there's a good place for plug in hybrid car conversions - replace the rear trailer arm setup with fairly low power driven wheels or add hub motors on the rear.
Then chuck some batteries in the boot.

Idea being that a daily commute, shopping and so on can be done 'most entirely on electric. Longer journeys you can take the batteries out if desired and stick to ICE.
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