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 Posted: 12:09 - 24 Apr 2014 Post subject: ZZR600 Valve Clearances |
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So I thought it might be good to take a load of pictures for myself when doing this job and they may come in helpful for other people who might not have done this before.
I've been into the bike enough to put in new spark plugs and balance carbs, no further, so this was a new experience for me too.
Here goes:
This is my zzr after a clean up post winter before its last ride over the M62 to see the family over Easter:
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Armed with my trusty little tool box I got from ARGOS at the start of my biking career and a digital copy of the Haynes manual on my Tablet I headed into the garage.
I had to go back into the house because I forgot the damn keys to take the seat off:
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Removed the battery cover and one of the terminals from the battery, took off this pipe (breather pipe?) and removed the rear bolt for the tank:
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and off came the two bolts by the bars:
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The nearside rear fairing needs removing to get to the fuel tap, removing the bolt on the side and the bolt into the tank (must be done on the other side also):
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This is what we're going for, turn the tap off:
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Remove this screw at the back:
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and the bolts within the bungee hooks:
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take the grabrail off and remove the final screw from the fairing (is it a fairing?):
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Pull the panel away carefully, ensuring to undo the indicator connector:
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Revealing something like this:
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Lift the tank and disconnect the fuel sender:
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When replacing the tank, take not of this connector right under the tank, they ALWAYS fall off, so would make your fuel dial not work:
https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1978850_10154032984515258_5795205949611134283_n.jpg?oh=49c7644bc0cfca2ee37ef159c6e7d5f7&oe=55BBEC67 ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
Did have: '95 ZZR600 '83 CG125 '97 ZZR1100 '15 Hypermotard 821 SP Do Have: '10 ZX10R
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Now we're at the Airbox (n shizz)
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You'll need to remove all of the screws around the perimeter and pipework, I find it easier later, if you remove the rubber bungs from the seat side of the airbox, to access screws later:
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Now we're in the airbox and you can see the screws in the base which are best accessed at the same angle as they are, hence the rubber bungs:
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Take the air filter out and you can see the RAM air tubes that need to be wiggled out:
https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10151375_10154032985180258_6621230480369835038_n.jpg?oh=84b5ad6394b68a6d71f18e453f2f3a4f&oe=5599A0D1
Giving you this:
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I took this picture to help remember the order for the HT leads to be replaced:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10155300_10154032985510258_473290268553425709_n.jpg?oh=ed9f2e0eb58bd7d78b7a5fd86a0df25c&oe=55B5B50F&__gda__=1438106552_09aa0a6ead4dba8bdda8b404164adf7c
Gently pop all the HT leads out and I found it easier to disconnect these little vacuum/breather(?) pipes to gain access:
https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10151308_10154032985635258_3987392875535839766_n.jpg?oh=5f15edbc07faaf96b8fbadd34d4025d3&oe=559996C6
Once they're out, make a start at unscrewing the ignition coils from the frame mounting or, like I didn't figure out, just take the mounting of the frame, that needs to come out anyway:
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I don't know what this is called but I unplugged it from the tubes from the carbs and those other tubes (breathers) from the engine, you can see I've twisted those tubes around to show and got it out of my way:
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I removed the Pulsing Cover after taking the belly pan off (very simple to do so didn't photograph it, you need to be in here later:
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The gasket wouldn't let go of this one so I had to give it some knocks with a rubber hammer but it started to take the paint of the casing, which I was a tad unhappy about so be careful:
https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/10155793_10154032986695258_4910732778928583953_n.jpg?oh=813bc66b200f8419c56dea10f4173b4b&oe=55A91510 ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
Did have: '95 ZZR600 '83 CG125 '97 ZZR1100 '15 Hypermotard 821 SP Do Have: '10 ZX10R
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Now. To get better access to the valve cover I loosened the nearside RAM air tube then twisted it out of the frame:
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I then whipped the clutch cable off the carbs and loosened the jubilee clips from the carbs to the head and wiggled them slightly away:
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I then removed the 8 screws from the valve cover, remembering where they came from, if it matters and also removed those caps with the breather tubes to make it easier to wiggle from under the throttle cables:
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Now you can look at the clearances. using the crank in the side case you can rotate the cams to Top Dead Centre, they call it, buy using a socket and turning till the mark on the crank case lines up with T, 1,4. This should allow you to get feelers between the cams and valve buckets of the inlet and exhaust of cylinder 1, the ex of cylinder 2 and the in of cylinder 3. Do a full rotation of the crank to return at TDC again and you can do all the other clearances. I found it very hard to get pictures of this bit because it's so tight! but it should be obvious where you want to measure the clearances.
My results were 3 exhaust clearances were too tight and 2 inlets were too tight. Now I have to strip down to measure the shims to order new ones.
This is where it got interesting. These bearing covers have 8 bolts each and they're numbered 1-16, you undo them in the order of 16 to 1 (then tighten 1 to 16). These are quite tight so make sure you have the socket properly seated or you might end up rounding some off. Crack EACH of them open half a turn or so and then give the covers a few taps with a rubber mallet, not hard ones, just to dislodge them. Repeat this until the screws are fully out and the covers move easily.
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I didn't do it properly the first time round so could only get one cover off, so I had to tighten them both down again and repeat - laborious!!
Remember which way the covers lived!
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Once they're off, beneath the carbs lives the Cam Chain Tensioner, you need to remove it. The haynes says this, once you have loosened the bolt do not just retighten it, you MUST completely remove them and reset it or you can end up breaking stuff. Middle bolt out first, which comes along with a long spring and a pin inside it. Then remove the two outer screws:
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When the CCT is out you can reset it by pressing the little release pin on the shaft and pushing the rod back in.
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You then have a loose cam chain, this picture also shows the markings on the sprockets.
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With some wiggling, you'll be able to get the cams out:
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But do not let the chain fall into the abyss, I poked a long spanner through there
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Now I'm into it as far as is required. I used a magnetic pick up tool to pull the buckets off and to reveal the shim that was sitting within the bucket.
I used a micrometer to measure the shims that were out of spec, they were all 3mm shims, and used the lookup table to find out what replacement shims I need. ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
Did have: '95 ZZR600 '83 CG125 '97 ZZR1100 '15 Hypermotard 821 SP Do Have: '10 ZX10R
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I'll be watching this, my ZZR is about due for valves  ____________________ Previous Bikes: 2006 Honda XR125L > 2003 Yamaha DT125R > 1996 Honda CB500
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Here's the ending. Sorry for not updating this sooner.
Here's the second leg.
First here's the shim under the bucket, the little round thingymajig:
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Once you replace all the shims, it's time for the timing - see what I did there?
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At TDC the intake crank should have the EX mark inline with the near crank case, with the opposite IN mark facing towards the rear. The exhaust cam is the opposite of this, it's IN mark inline with the far crank case and the EX facing towards the front. To make sure the timing is correct you can count the links between the EX mark of the intake cam and the IN of the exhaust cam. There should be a total of 17 links - because the EX and IN of each cam will be in a link that counts as half, there will be 16 FULL links between the marks. You can count the rivets, 34 total rivets.
In the picture you count the rivet just above the markings on the cams. If that's not clear, give me a shout.
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Replace these o-rings, I bought the actual parts from Cornwall Kawasaki and can't remember the part number off the top of my head but easy to find out.
Now you can put the bearing covers on. Jam something against the cam chain through the CCT hole beneath the carb to maintain tension of the chain throughout the tightening of these covers. I used the largest allen key I had and pressed in as I was tightening each of the 16 screws.
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When it was torqued up to 12 Nm I believe the value was this is how it looked.
Now you can replace the CCT. Put the mounting on FIRST so the plunger doesn't over extend when putting the middle screw in.
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Then with a butt load of swearing and catching my fingers on metal bits I got the valve cover / rocker cover back on. There is no tactic for this apart from perseverance IMO.
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Got my carbs back onto the inlet rubbers.
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This thingy went back on
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In went all the HT leads
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On went the airbox with more shouting to get my RAM air tubes into the bugger
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All the pipes in the right places
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The last step not really worth a picture was plugging the fuel sender back in, screwing on the fuel pipe and putting the overflow pipe back on and obvious fairings. They're just simple tbf.
Hope this helps other people.
For this work I used a £40 tool set from ARGOS, a 23 quid Torque wrench and around £8 feeler gauge from Machine Mart and I've never been into an engine in my life.
For a first timer, if you have lots of time to do it, I have a banger old CG to get me to work so had all the time in the world, give it a go! ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
Did have: '95 ZZR600 '83 CG125 '97 ZZR1100 '15 Hypermotard 821 SP Do Have: '10 ZX10R
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 11 years, 224 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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