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stranger12
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PostPosted: 05:55 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Wheelie :D Reply with quote

Good morning great people,

I am learning to do wheelies and after few days of attempting , I am getting better.

I find it a lot easier to do it on the r6 than sv650 as the r6 does pop up and think I have more control over it .

Here is how I do it , clutch in in first gear , one or two rev to raise it to few k's above what I am on and then let the clutch go and try to have the throttle open so as to continue the wheelie.

Now what I am scared of is , flipping it if too much power is going to the back wheel. If when clutch is pulled in and I rev it hard and pop clutch , can it flip ?

It feels like the rear wheel is trying to run away from me .

I have seen more than 50 youtube videos but still thought I ask as none of them specifically mentioned what is the risk associated with over reving .

An yes I have the rear brake covered all the times.
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PostPosted: 05:57 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also guess the only two way to pop wheelie, is either clutch or power wheelie ( sticking it in 2nd gear and suddenly opening the throttle wide open ), right ?
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PostPosted: 06:01 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learn to power it up in 1st gear, cruise along, close throttle and snap it open. Get used to the weird feeling.

Then start using the clutch in 2nd, this is when I was first starting out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S14Qs062R_o

You'll soon learn how much is too much and how little isn't enough.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
Learn to power it up in 1st gear, cruise along, close throttle and snap it open. Get used to the weird feeling.

Then start using the clutch in 2nd, this is when I was first starting out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S14Qs062R_o

You'll soon learn how much is too much and how little isn't enough.


You made that look far to easy Shocked
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing it is easy, that is a shit wheelie by all accounts. Plenty people here who can do it far better than I can Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Re: Wheelie :D Reply with quote

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Now what I am scared of is , flipping it if too much power is going to the back wheel. If when clutch is pulled in and I rev it hard and pop clutch , can it flip ?


Yes you can flip it first take baby steps this will improve confidence and get a better feel for them.

"It feels like the rear wheel is trying to run away from me"

Unfortunately the wheelie needs to be a balance point before it slows down hence chasing it. It will always gain speed below balance point.

And its all throttle control always remember that and youll be fine.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

how can I identify that I have got the right balance point ?

is it that the bike speed is increasing slowly ?
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
how can I identify that I have got the right balance point ?

is it that the bike speed is increasing slowly ?


Forget the word balance point. You won't need to know about this until you can get the front up properly and get it down properly.
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
how can I identify that I have got the right balance point ?

is it that the bike speed is increasing slowly ?


You will know, its really high and the will feel like its going to tip backwards at balance point you can bold a neutral speed.

I was just answering your question but to be fair get confident popping them first baby steps!
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

First wheelie I did was just slipping the clutch on a GSXR 400, went surprisingly well. If you are worried about binning it, you probably won't. It's the people with the attitude of "I can wheelie, definitely, watch this" that bin in.. imo
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only done a wheelie once and that was accidental. It was on either the second or third day after completing my CBT. Unfortunately, it happened upon entering a roundabout. Laughing Embarassed
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worry about damaging the gearbox.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mysterious_rider wrote:
I worry about damaging the gearbox.


If you do it properly, you should be fine. It is people like me when I first started out who just dump the clutch and snatch the throttle, rather than slipping it nicely.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the risk ?

How can it damage the gearbox ? is it by suddenly letting the clutch go ?

By slipping , do you mean letting it out slowly ? if so then that may cause you not to be able to pop the wheelie.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're drop the clutch whilst giving it too many revs then yes you can flip it. When you're learning to wheelie it'll seem like the front is really high and you're worried about flipping it but if you get someone to photo or video you then the chances are the front will still be pretty low.

Clutching it up in 2nd gear should be smoother and easier to control.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
What are the risk ?

How can it damage the gearbox ? is it by suddenly letting the clutch go ?

By slipping , do you mean letting it out slowly ? if so then that may cause you not to be able to pop the wheelie.


You slip it, youtube slipping the clutch.

If you do it right, it will come up every time.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:


If you do it right, it will come up every time.


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PostPosted: 16:34 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never really had a proper go at wheeling before Embarassed Got the old 125 up a few inches accidently on a few occasions popping the clutch, but thats it Laughing

Always wondered if it can damage the fork seals which put me off on my current bike, or can you roll off the throttle gradually and 'land' it quite gently?
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Never really had a proper go at wheeling before Embarassed Got the old 125 up a few inches accidently on a few occasions popping the clutch, but thats it Laughing

Always wondered if it can damage the fork seals which put me off on my current bike, or can you roll off the throttle gradually and 'land' it quite gently?


Take my KTM out on the sunday, have fun.

You are supposed to roll the throttle back on when you come down to reduce the "donk" but I don't care if you slam the front down Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:42 - 04 Apr 2014    Post subject: Re: Wheelie :D Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:

Here is how I do it , clutch in in first gear , one or two rev to raise it to few k's above what I am on and then let the clutch go and try to have the throttle open so as to continue the wheelie.


You don't want to be doing that mate, you will end up flipping it easily if you give it too many revs.

Just get up to speed in 2nd gear, when your RPM reaches about 5,000 - 6,000, slip the clutch whilst giving it a bit of throttle. That's it, just keep doing that until you get used to that sensation of the front end popping up and gradually bring it up higher each time you do it.

You don't tend to get the hang of it until you've done it 100+ times.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

did you mean to say slip the clutch when in 2nd gear on 5-6k rev ? if so where does the sudden power come in from to lift the front?

I did actually try this but unless I rev it to 8-9k when on 3-4k it won't lift. maybe i am doing it wrong ?
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you intellectually challenged?
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't go wheeling your SV for too long as it'll most likely starve your cylinder of oil, although I doubt you'll wheelie it enough or long enough for that to happen.

Also, does anyone think it would be possible to wheelie a bandit 600 restricted to 47bhp? I've tried slipping the clutch at around 6k revs in 1st and it still didn't lift.
I had the newbie sacredness of slipping the clutch higher up in the revs incase I flipped it (although I doubt that would happen as it didn't have enough power to lift it at 6k revs).
Anyone have experience wheeling a restricted bandit? How did u do it, i've always wanted to wheelie my bike Cool
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 07 Apr 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a self professed moron.

I started to wheelie by just letting off then whacking open the throttle again in first gear. If my 20HP 250 can do that, your 100BHP R6 certainly can. I started, the same way I did on my MTB, I keep the power on, then press the back brake to ease it down, although if it iis too high, I just stamp on the brake and pull the clutch. I have 11 inches of suspension travel though. I tried to teach myself to bring it down, before I bring it up, that way it is just second nature.

On my MTB, I have nearly got it, I can wheelie indefinitely but struggle with manualling, but my index finger is constantly feathering the rear brake to hold it there, without me thinking. It needs to become second nature on how to fix it.


Now, I tend to sit on the pillion seat, third gear, clutch in, rev, rev again then let the clutch go. It's less jerky, with throttle movements, the higher the gear.

I wheelied the Varadero 125 yesterday, for the first time ever, sat as far back as I could then got her rolling, clutch in, revved to about 9000 then let her out, the wheel lifted about 3 inches I reckon, but still, with a more skilled rider than me any bike would do it. My moped would pull second, sat an the passenger seat, although I don't trust the brakes, so try not to lift the front end that often on it.
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