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PostPosted: 00:51 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: 125 with ABS Reply with quote

KTM DUKE 125 ABS

Never noticed this bike before, ABS on a 125, pricey but quite sexy really, overkill for a 125 indeed Thumbs Up
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Kinda defeats the learning to feel where your locking point is on the brakes that comes with 125s but certainly a safe faggery option.

No overall point on this, just general bike chat
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PostPosted: 02:40 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really overkill rather than learn where that point is by skidding down the road on your face you learn when the ABS kicks in yo.
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PostPosted: 03:41 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

waaa wa, such a mummas boy, we all end up there, why delay the inevitable man up now,
anyway abs has been available from every manufacturer for the 125cc scooter market since ages ago,
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PostPosted: 07:08 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why the by downer on abs? It may be less manly if your a professional track rider. It may be redundant on a track bike for most track enthusiasts but which one of you are professional racers?

For everyday bikes it is a very worthwhile piece of kit. Anything that can improve safety is worth adding to a road bike.

The big issue with abs is people don't know how to use it. Had to teach the mrs how to use it on the landrover. She didn't want to stamp on the brakes and let the car take over so we did the cone test similar to the police demo where you put a cone in the line of travel and stop with and without abs.

She soon learned to stamp on the brakes to do an emergency stop! But she doesn't use them everyday!
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PostPosted: 07:17 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Re: 125 with ABS Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
KTM DUKE 125 ABS

Never noticed this bike before, ABS on a 125, pricey but quite sexy really, overkill for a 125 indeed Thumbs Up
Like 4k thing Laughing
https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201302/ktm-125-duke-5_600x0w.jpg

Kinda defeats the learning to feel where your locking point is on the brakes that comes with 125s but certainly a safe faggery option.

No overall point on this, just general bike chat


Here speaks a man who is forever throwing his bike down the road.


I'm sure after spending this much on a bike, as a learner, you'd be happy to slide it on tarmac rather than have abs.
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

i had abs on a 50cc chinese scooter Very Happy
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Re: 125 with ABS Reply with quote

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I'm sure after spending this much on a bike, as a learner, you'd be happy to slide it on tarmac rather than have abs.


You are an idiot if you spend over a grand on a tool for learning.

I've never had ABS, I've never needed to brake like a cunt, I stay away from other cars and bikes arses.

It should NOT be needed, however its to get people out of shit when they stop paying attention.
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PostPosted: 08:18 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Re: 125 with ABS Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
ScaredyCat wrote:
I'm sure after spending this much on a bike, as a learner, you'd be happy to slide it on tarmac rather than have abs.


You are an idiot if you spend over a grand on a tool for learning.

I've never had ABS, I've never needed to brake like a cunt, I stay away from other cars and bikes arses.

It should NOT be needed, however its to get people out of shit when they stop paying attention.


But as a commuting tool why not have abs?
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want a commuting tool to be cheap and reliable. Adding ABS wouldn't make me commute differently... like I said, I haven't needed it previously. If you require ABS on your commute, you aren't riding defensively enough.

I now commute into London 3 days a week going through the south circular which is quite lulzy, I've never seen such idiotic driving. However, I feel no need for ABS.

I used to ride around London doing things for work, I never required it then, I rode defensively.

Teaching people to ride more defensively than load them with some bonus features that might help save them if they are riding badly is not the best call.
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

gavbriggs wrote:
The big issue with abs is people don't know how to use it. Had to teach the mrs how to use it on the landrover. She didn't want to stamp on the brakes and let the car take over so we did the cone test similar to the police demo where you put a cone in the line of travel and stop with and without abs.
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Wot......

You do not need to know how to use ABS. That is the whole point of it. It makes sure your wheels do not lock up, thus allowing you to steer round obstacles Thumbs Up .

Now if you do not have ABS. Then you need to be taught how to brake hard and still be able to steer a car.
Cadence braking as it is known

Interesting to note that in F1 many of the drivers do not know how to manage without ABS....
Nico Rosberg is a prime example Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say it's just another unnecessary expense. If I never needed ABS on the ZXR, then I wouldn't need it on a 125. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:


You do not need to know how to use ABS.


I'd say you need to know how to use it just as much as you need to know how to brake without it. Anyone who learnt to drive before ABS became common will have that 'don't lock the brakes' mindset and you need to unlearn that to take full advantage of ABS. This was amply proven on a skid pan day I did, where they ran us in identical ABS and non-ABS cars... it took people a bit of a leap of faith to ram the pedal to the floor and let the system sort it out.

Perhaps people are taught differently now that ABS is standard, but that's my experience. It'll be just the same with bikes.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Re: 125 with ABS Reply with quote

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You are an idiot if you spend over a grand on a tool for learning.

I've never had ABS, I've never needed to brake like a cunt, I stay away from other cars and bikes arses.

It should NOT be needed, however its to get people out of shit when they stop paying attention.

Eh? Why?....

If you buy a new 125 and throw it up the road you learn to repair it just like a cheap one, it will cost you the same if you buy the parts 2nd hand or OEM, I don't understand the mentality, also doesn't my thread have loads of "you bought cheap, expect fucked" in it? Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you buy a 4 bike and crash it, you lose money.
Lots in fact so your £200 bike has no bearing. You crash that you won't lose half it's money.

I would never recommend buying a new 125...tools for learning shouldn't be expensive like that.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Re: 125 with ABS Reply with quote

Alpha-9 wrote:
... ABS on a 125...overkill for a 125 indeed...

Blame the eu. ABS as standard on everything.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note this could be a pile of crap just my opinion of ABS.

Can only see ABS on something like a learner bike as being potentially bad personally. The only reason for this is if you get to rely on ABS when you are starting out; then you upgrade to an older bike your safety net has practically gone. Going be a big eye opener going into that corner and then braking hard.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
TBH its only on bigger bikes (twin disc) that it feels like you need to take particular care with the brakes, I wouldn't bother with abs on a 125.


So you are saying that you can't lock the wheels on smaller bikes then?

TBH. Its the L's that need it more than the experienced riders. They are far more likely to grab a handful of brake and end up on the deck.

End of the day its a nice to have, should you need it.

TBH. 99% of the time its not needed. But that 1% can be the difference between life and death Karma

Never had a bike with it fitted. But if offered the choice of both I would take ABS option.

My car often kicks in on a steep hill I use everyday.... There is one bump that ensures that if you hit the brakes as you go over it, it will kick in.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mk1GSF wrote:
...If you need ABS on a 125 you should be put to death for the good of society.

The way things are going all new bikes, including 125s, will have abs.
So it will be Hobson's choice.
Then there will be a trickle, turning into a flood, of abs bikes on the 2nd hand market.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't see what's wrong with ABS tbh. Just another tool so keep you upright like better tyres and suspension.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:


You do not need to know how to use ABS. That is the whole point of it. It makes sure your wheels do not lock up, thus allowing you to steer round obstacles


Many people drive cars without ever using the abs system or have it kick in. There is a great advantage to abs. The average driver/rider can stop in a shorter distance with abs. To activate abs you need to apply enough brake pressure to lock the wheels. Many people won't know how much that is and as I said going and learning how to use and utilise the brake system makes a hell of a difference in stopping distances.

Go try it in your car with he mrs on some private land. Travel at 30 mph pick a point and stamp on the brakes. When the car comes to a complete stop put a cone at the front of the car. Now do the same run and don't use abs, just brake as you would if you'd never activated the abs system. That will demonstrate to her and you how useful abs is and that stamping on the brakes is better than trying to stop yourself.

My mrs actually let off the brake when it pulsed the first time it activated as she'd never felt it before. It also took me a few goes for her to put on enough pressure to activate abs as she was attempting to do a controlled stop.

ABS is assistive technology and while it may be a bit excessive on a 125 in the majority of cases, if it is used and practiced with it might just save a life!

If you have abs on your machines, learn how to use it!
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
I want a commuting tool to be cheap and reliable. Adding ABS wouldn't make me commute differently... like I said, I haven't needed it previously. If you require ABS on your commute, you aren't riding defensively enough.

I now commute into London 3 days a week going through the south circular which is quite lulzy, I've never seen such idiotic driving. However, I feel no need for ABS.

I used to ride around London doing things for work, I never required it then, I rode defensively.

Teaching people to ride more defensively than load them with some bonus features that might help save them if they are riding badly is not the best call.


I bet when indicators started becoming standard on bikes there were simerler arguments getting thrown around. You may as well argue for going back to drum brakes and cork helmets.
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