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PostPosted: 21:33 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Yamaha YBR-125 to YZR-1000R: bricking it but excited! Reply with quote

Well I'm a pretty new rider but have taken to it like a duck to water, still a little loose but loving the challenge. I put nearly 4,000 miles on my YBR-125 from new in 2 months because I wanted to get good quickly, half of that is my work commute and the rest is leisure. Other than the odd hairy moment it's like nothing else.

So I was looking to trade up to a Thundercat. Some may say, little premature, you're still a new rider but I don't do anything by halves. I booked my direct access with the same good lot who did my CBT (so well it's saved my behind on numerous occasions) and started foraging around for a bike - Gumtree, eBay, Freeads, speaking with other riders (have a lot in my immediate family and close friends groups) and so on. Sadly, all the good ones were tucked away in Wales, or the north. Too far to go for a quick test ride. The local fare was pretty weak, there was one just round the corner from me but it was a state - rusted swingarm looking ready to split at any moment, heavily worn tyres, a chain so corroded it couldn't have seen oil in thousands of miles. All dogs.

Then out of interest based on some tips from my uncle (20 year plus rider, co-owns a Yammy dealership) who suggested I stop obsessing over this one particular bike, I decided to consider Fazers and other beloved Yamahas, maybe even look at some Hondas too in time. And just out of luck I stumbled across a gorgious, clean looking Ace with the kind of service history that had careful fairweather bike lovers written all over. The current owner, a well respected mechanic and all-around top bloke, told me on the phone all the work that had gone into it, a lot recently. I ran the checklist - is the exhaust rusty? No, new aftermarket can. How are those downpipes? Pretty much new, replacements taken from a newer bike. Is 2nd gear notchy? Nope, clean as a whistle. Chain and sprockets? Again new, barely a few thousand miles riding clocked on them. How's that infamous soggy rear suspension? Aftermarket replacement with stiffer setting to iron out those potholes and manholes. Useless dim headlamp? Replaced with Xenon LEDs and brighter than most cars. So the conversation went. And I just had to see it. He knew where all the weaknesses were and had corrected the lot.

I pulled up outside the place and my heart nearly stopped. It's beautiful. Nothing like the death traps I've been seeing dotted over the local map. This is one of the great mid-90s sportsbikes, not quite mint but so close to pristine you know it's been treated like a lady. The sort of bike you grow up lusting after... seriously, I was 14 in the year this was made.

The mileage is around 42K, the price is well below 2K and considering all the aftermarket mods is just too good to resist. A test ride on the pillion confirms the sheer power and I find myself grinning from ear to ear in a way I haven't for quite a while. 80MPH feels like 40MPH on my 125, she's pretty smooth.

Anyway, I digress.

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I bought the bike and immediately garaged her with a close friend of mine, just a few miles from where I live. Not easy to do... the temptation to gingerly slip her out of neutral and gently open the throttle was huge, but cooler heads prevailed and I decided to settle for just opening up the throttle in neutral before tucking away.

So yeah, I'm excited. But as a new rider in his late twenties, I'm also bloody scared by what is an incredibly powerful superbike even by modern standards. And so I was hoping some of the riders here can help keep me out of trouble, and more importantly keep me alive by giving tips on what to do - and more crucially what stupid things NOT to do - when making the leap from a gutless 125cc which loses speed up small hills to a powerhouse 1002cc which could bury my head in the tarmac if I were ever stupid enough to fully open the throttle from a standing start.

All the parts of my direct access are spread out over the next 4-8 weeks. Plenty of time to learn how to respect such a machine.

So... what do I need to know?
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you let us know when you are going to ride it so that we can all come and clap and cheer at the inevitable train wreck?
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the chihuahua wrote:
Can you let us know when you are going to ride it so that we can all come and clap and cheer at the inevitable train wreck?


Lol. Point well taken. Very Happy

Well I'm trying to get the mindset in place now, there's no way I want to wreck that thing or myself. I'll be doing my DAS on a Honda Hornet with several days of intensive training before both practical test modules. I'm aware that 125cc to 1002cc is a huge leap which is why I want to not just have the training but start thinking as if I'm already riding a bigger bike regularly. Fully cranking the thottle after shifts is fine on a 125cc but if I try something like that on the Ace I'll wrap it round a tree so that's part of why I'm here, to not do that!
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will only go as fast as you want it to go, you are in control of it. Sure it is a big jump but just take your time to learn what it can do. Don't do stupid things like yanking on the throttle mid corner etc, be smooth, anticipate and if riding with others just ride at your own pace.
Litre bikes are not scary in the slightest, I prefer them over 600s as there is more torque to play with. The weight will be one of the biggest things you will notice.

If you try and run before you can walk it will bite you and being a bigger bike, the likelihood of it being a bigger bite will obviously be there.

Just remember that you control what the bike does, so if you take it sensibly you will enjoy the experience immensely. But conversely, if you try and ride like Guy Martin from the off you will possibly learn how hard a litre bike can bite.

Enjoy it, assuming you pass that DAS soon!!
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Yamaha YBR-125 to YZR-1000R: bricking it but excited! Reply with quote

ridelikeasaint wrote:
So... what do I need to know?


How to renew your life insurance.
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Yamaha YBR-125 to YZR-1000R: bricking it but excited! Reply with quote

Conzar wrote:
ridelikeasaint wrote:
So... what do I need to know?


How to renew your life insurance.


Well now that you mention it, I was thinking of taking some out. No really. For £20 a month it seems like an easy choice.

Thunderaces aren't that dangerous though, surely? I know the answer probably starts "Well, in the hands of an experienced rider, no..." but still, any advice is good even if it's tough!
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Re: Yamaha YBR-125 to YZR-1000R: bricking it but excited! Reply with quote

ridelikeasaint wrote:

Thunderaces aren't that dangerous though, surely? I know the answer probably starts "Well, in the hands of an experienced rider, no..." but still, any advice is good even if it's tough!


You will be fine don't worry
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PostPosted: 23:44 - 26 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll be fine.

Now, do you have a nubile young wife or girlfriend, and if so, please send me her details so that I can do nothing in the highly likely event that you're fine.
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PostPosted: 04:39 - 27 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

m3-paul wrote:
It will only go as fast as you want it to go


FFS - not this shit AGAIN. The amount of times this trite bullshit has been trotted out here in the last few months is getting ridiculous.

Yeah bikes always only ever go as fast as you want them to. There's a seamless link between brain and rear wheel. There are no variables over which the rider has little or no control. It's why nobody ever overcooks it going into a turn, skids on diesel, fails to stop when a biddy pulls out on them or mistimes an overtake. It's why no-one ever collides with any other vehicle, ever. Most of all though it's why, in bike racing, everyone crosses the finish line at exactly the same time - and consequently why the sport is so damn boring.
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PostPosted: 06:54 - 27 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
m3-paul wrote:
It will only go as fast as you want it to go


FFS - not this shit AGAIN. The amount of times this trite bullshit has been trotted out here in the last few months is getting ridiculous.

Yeah bikes always only ever go as fast as you want them to. There's a seamless link between brain and rear wheel. There are no variables over which the rider has little or no control. It's why nobody ever overcooks it going into a turn, skids on diesel, fails to stop when a biddy pulls out on them or mistimes an overtake. It's why no-one ever collides with any other vehicle, ever. Most of all though it's why, in bike racing, everyone crosses the finish line at exactly the same time - and consequently why the sport is so damn boring.


The guy hasn't even passed a bike test yet so I think that what I said is reasonable. Couldn't give a crap if you like it or not. I have had a full bike licence for 17 years and using the info I have posted so far has seen me okay to this point in life.

The stuff you spout about diesel and old biddies is a risk be it on a bloody 50cc or 1000cc, it is just that it will possibly happen a damn bit faster on a 1000cc in inexperienced hands. So yes, it will only go as fast as the amount you twist the throttle.
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PostPosted: 07:30 - 27 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get too intimidated by the throttle, just wind it up slowly and smoothly and in a relaxed manner. You can practice your quick launches once you get through your DAS.

In terms of speed, it's just whether you can control yourself.

Will you be able to 'back off' if you find yourself giving it too much throttle, or will the power and sheer thrill of speed get to your head and stop you from having proper awareness of the situation?

Once you're on your DAS you'll pick up a lot of big bike skills, and your instructors should be able to call you out on any bad habits such as eager speeding.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 27 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

m3-paul wrote:


The guy hasn't even passed a bike test yet so I think that what I said is reasonable. Couldn't give a crap if you like it or not. I have had a full bike licence for 17 years and using the info I have posted so far has seen me okay to this point in life.

The stuff you spout about diesel and old biddies is a risk be it on a bloody 50cc or 1000cc, it is just that it will possibly happen a damn bit faster on a 1000cc in inexperienced hands. So yes, it will only go as fast as the amount you twist the throttle.


Bikes regularly go faster (or slower!) than the rider intends - therefore saying it will only goes as fast as you want it to is at best misleading, or just plain wrong.

I'm all for the OP getting the bike he wants to. I just take issue with glib statements like this. Pulling rank with seventeen years this, or seventeen centuries the other, doesn't change that.
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 27 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the oil regularly. Some of these may or may not like to consume oil. Wink

What is with the horrendous paint though, adding the 1000 stickers too... I personally think that side of it looks tacky Sad

However, its pre R1, and the R1 was fun but likely a little lighter and more nimble, I loved it, hopefully the same for you with this one Thumbs Up

Have to max it out though.
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 27 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
What is with the horrendous paint though, adding the 1000 stickers too... I personally think that side of it looks tacky Sad


You can blame Yamaha for the '1000' stickers... they're stock. But then the Ace and Cat were never really blessed with the best paint schemes (or names).
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 27 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
You can blame Yamaha for the '1000' stickers...


SO I CAN Shocked It looks terrible.

I always thought the orange/silver/black scheme on the Thundercat was tasty, hence buying one Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 27 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed the Cat colour scheme's were bloody good compared to most Ace colours, but It's loads of bike for the money, roomy, fast and comfy. I'd have one over an Early Blade, just to avoid early blade lunacy kicking in! Laughing

Shame this doesn't look more std paint wise, but condition is everything with a big powerful old beast like this. If the chassis and suspension and brakes are all tip top, (they need to be!), then It will be a very nice ride IMO.

I'd want my Blue spots to be spotless and with good pads, braided lines and properly bled for rider confidence and for reining in a panicked big handful of throttle too! Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 27 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

m3-paul wrote:
The guy hasn't even passed a bike test yet so I think that what I said is reasonable. Couldn't give a crap if you like it or not. I have had a full bike licence for 17 years and using the info I have posted so far has seen me okay to this point in life.


Exactly. If I'm honest what you wrote is the most helpful so far... not that I mind a bit of hazing and joking, I can understand that a guy moving from a 124cc to 1002cc probably looks nuts and to be fair and objective it is but I'm also just about sensible enough to realise I need some good advice and reality checks so I don't write it and myself off. Luckily I live in a town with a lot of big easy roads and low speed limit so I can stick to that sort of thing when I complete my DAS.

deadwolf wrote:
Will you be able to 'back off' if you find yourself giving it too much throttle, or will the power and sheer thrill of speed get to your head and stop you from having proper awareness of the situation?


The former I'd hope! That's certainly what I'd go for. I'm not the best rider but I'm all about long stopping distances to prevent things getting hairy. Then when the traffic averages less than 35mph, filter when safe.

Paddy. wrote:
What is with the horrendous paint though, adding the 1000 stickers too... I personally think that side of it looks tacky Sad

However, its pre R1, and the R1 was fun but likely a little lighter and more nimble, I loved it, hopefully the same for you with this one Thumbs Up

Have to max it out though.


A lot of riders - including those close to me family wise - said R1 or R6 but there's something about the Cats/Aces that just gels with me. When I sit on it it immediatly feels right even despite the huge difference in size and far more fairing than my YBR. I expected to sit in riding position and feel the bike tip but it seems really stable considering the weight.

I like the styling, personally. Very close to my favourite shade of blue and although some might find the luminous strips tacky I think it looks alright, I'm not feeling the urge to peel it all off yet. I guess style is in the eye of the beholder because large tank aside I feel the design works, when I think superbike that's the look I think of cos I grew up around those types of bike.

stevo as b4 wrote:
Shame this doesn't look more std paint wise, but condition is everything with a big powerful old beast like this. If the chassis and suspension and brakes are all tip top, (they need to be!), then It will be a very nice ride IMO.


They are. What struck me about this is it looks like it's a few years old with a couple of aftermarket mods for performance/aesthetic reasons. I still can't believe it's a P reg machine. Ride is a lot smoother than I expected even at 80mph in the rain on an A road with poor quality tarmac, as was the test ride when I was on the pillion. No rust, no leaking, fluid levels all where they should be... this was owned by a fan of Thunderaces who knew where the weaknesses were and smoothed them out.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 27 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh FFS.

I went from 6 months on a DT 125.
6 months of no bike.
Direct access over a weekend.
Straight onto a CBR 600. Ok it was back in 1993... Still a fast bike back then.
I'm still here in one piece.
Best advice came from my dad.
Get out on the bike in all weathers. Go canny with the throttle and brakes in the wet.
Get used to the weight and power.

Above all...

Take it easy until you feel able to use the power of it.

Just be sensible.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 27 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 05:14 - 28 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you did DAS without time on a tiddler.... some folk wouldn't even contemplate the 'leap' before they made it.
Meanwhile, its an 'old' thou... one wiv that quirk so often called 'torque'.
With a large raft of low and mid-range stomp, and a less pronounced 'wake up' into the buzz-belt....
While not exactly my top recommendation for a DAS fresh new licence holder... ACTUALLY....possibly not SUCH a poor call as many 600's, many might say were a 'better' post DAS selection.

Yup it has a lot more than 100bhp... but nature of the beast is very different. 600 offering 100bhp has to be revved, and tends to be in much higher state of tune; to get one shifting needs you to dial in the revs and make it sing, and not having much beneath the buzz belt, is more likely to encourage you to try and keep it up there to keep it shifting.

The thou, with much stronger bottom end, is more likely to not just be easier to ride slower, but be less eager to encourage you to ride it so quick. And heavier, will demand more effort from you to try going quick, discouraging you from trying to chuck it around with SO much abandon, as a 600 might.

Certainly what I found when I stepped up to a thou... and I'm still here.

You'll be all-right for the first month or so while novelty is still there, and its awesomeness still awes you.....but after that?

You probably WILL get cocky with it at some point... so remember, cock-ups occur when confidence outweighs competence... and THAT bike has a shed load more competence than you do and are likely to have for a very long time.... in fact more than many riders are likely to acquire EVER.

Also, it WILL spoil you. The surplus of power and all-round poise will, especially after a tiddler, tend to make you 'lazy', and you will probably get used to relying on its weight and brakes and acceleration to not bother paying as much attention, planning so far ahead or worrying so much about the road.... bikes demand your full attention, and laziness tends to get punished painfully.

It will tend also to make smaller displacement machines you ride later, some-what under whelming, and can incline you to treat them with some what greater contempt than they deserve... this can be dangerously deceptive.... especially if they are something like an R6, and you end up ragging the arse off it like it was a 125 in consequence!

Its a relatively 'friendly' machine, but just remember, more folk get killed by their friends and family than do by scary strangers! Don't get over familiar with it, and NEVER take it for granted or try taking liberties with it.

Otherwise.... enjoy!
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 28 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some excellent advice so far, thanks, especially the last post. I want to get it insured but I believe I have to wait until I've done the direct access to completion is that right?
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 28 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ridelikeasaint wrote:
Some excellent advice so far, thanks, especially the last post. I want to get it insured but I believe I have to wait until I've done the direct access to completion is that right?


Make sure you have the thing SORN if its not insured; or you could now get fined by DVLA for the audacity of having a motorvehicle you dont use.

You can insure anything.... look at moovie actors and what they get cover on Laughing

Absolutely no reason you cant insure a bike you don't have legal entitlement to ride on the roads.... BUT, whether a UK Insurer will issue a certificate in complience with the Road Traffic Act, to you, or for a reasonable sum of money, when you dont have licence to use it is a different matter; there are a couple who might; but most wont.

Do quotes based on having a licence; they will usually hold them for a month; and when you have a licence, only takes a few minutes to activate one on line or over the 'phone.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 28 May 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikesure will cover you on your provisionaL entitlement. Other insurers, such as Hastings, won't ask to see your license, and so you could (and I stress could, not should) insure it as though you had a full license. In neither case should you ride it, it's just to get it on the MID, get the DVLA off your back and get you fire/theft/fully comp cover.

If you just want that cover against something happening to the bike, then have a search for "laid up motorcycle insurance". I cannot stress enough that this does not let you ride it on the road, and nor does it satisfy the requirement to be either insured (for third party liability) or SORNed.

Personally I'd SORN it, shackle it to the earth's core, and insure it after you're licensed up.
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