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Nothing wrong with Reiju as a brand, they're a Spanish Aprilia equivalent, buy with caution as they will no doubt have had a hard life from a string of not caring 17 year olds.
Edit: I'd rather a 2 than a 3, two strokey goodness 
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I'd go for a Honda. I owned one honda in my short motorcycle life and that bike just ran like it was a brand new, even though it was made/designed in late 80's.
I, personally, wouldn't buy a 125cc two stroke as my the only bike. I'd rather do 10k miles slower with better mpg on a 4 stroke than only 3-4k miles on the same budget riding a 2 stroke. Especially when you're a beginner, you want to ride, not being in the garage all the time. 
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| Posted: 15:35 - 26 May 2014 Post subject: Re: New biker concidering nearly new Reiju RS3 125 |
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| Travers66 wrote: | What do you think? |
I think that what a bike LOOKs like is probably the LEAST important purchasing considerations; yet you are filtering your choices entirely by that one constraint.
I think hinting that you don't actually have the money to buy such an over priced fashion accessory... BUT... are still hanging out determined to get one, you are probably nievely optimistic as well as stupidly stubborn.
I think you are at the bottom of a very steep learning curve, where nothing with L-plates looks good, with a LOT of learning to do....and with above aspirations and tendencies, chances are, wont make a jot of difference what we think... you don't want advice, merely confirmation of your own pre-conceptions and will reject anything provided from hard won experience that jars with your ideas and aspirations, and you will probably HAVE to learn the hard way from your own mistakes and experience.
So, this is likely to be utterly disregarded, but, I shall offer it any way:-
I think NOTHING looks good with an L-Plate. You want Credability? Get a licence. You dont need an R1.. and if you think thats what gives 'cred' or earns 'respect', that learning curve is even taller and steeper.
I think 'sporty' 125's are a bit of a joke. All the show and none of the go. 125's ent quick bikes. Even the fastest of the fast non-learner legals is a SLOW motorcycle; about as quick as a thirty odd year old Honda 250 four-stroke single commuter bike, 'slow'.
I think paying twice as much money to buy one; twice as much money to insure one, and ten times as much money to fix one when you fumble it off its centre stand or drop it, trying to do a U-Turn with fairing restricted steering and finger trapping, wrist bending narrow 'clip-on' handlebars; is rather an expensive liability, and ridiculous waste of money.
I think 125's have two strengths; they tend to be 'cheap' and they are a good learning tool. So buying a horrendously over-priced one, ruins the 'cheap'... and when they are compromised from being learning tools by thier style, you loose even that advantage. Rendering them a rather silly way for fashion fools to waste money, not looking 'the part' not saving penies on bus-fares and not making it easy to learn to ride a motorbike.
I think Its a shame the new licence laws mean 17 year olds cant have anything but a 125. But we are stuck with it.
I think If you are 17; two years may seem a long time to be 'stuck' with a bike that doesn't meet all your aspiration; but, two years enjoying a 125 for what they are good at; being 'cheap' and being good learner-friendly commuter tools, can be quite useful.
I think If you looked at bikes that were slightly more 'boring' you could save a lot of money; risk less expensive damage if you drop or crash it; or it gets nicked; and so have more money to put towards riding the damn thing, and getting experience; maybe getting some training, while you can use 125 to 'practice' what you are taught on lessons and maybe even getting a licence, even if its only an A1 licence, to get clock started on your NDA probation.
I think if you are over 19, and could do an A2 course, to get a restricted big-bike licence, then, well; a 125 could be a useful stepping stone, but as such 'Cheap' and 'learner-friendly' would again be at the top of the list of priorities;
I think if you want a 'sporty' looking motorbike, it may as well have the performance to match its sporty looks; so if that is your aspiration, work on getting the licence for one; that's the only thing stopping you. And in that a 'boring' 125 may be a tool along the way, but its not the be all and end all of your biking career.
I think, you need to open your eyes, and widen your horizons... a LOT, and not dismiss so much before you have even got started.
THAT is what I think. But like I said; I don't think its what you really want to hear. But, no matter; its not my choice, not my money. You can do whatever you want.... BUT... opening your eyes to see the bigger picture, CAN help you make better choices and get a lot more out of, not just biking, but life in general.
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Standard advice's to go for a CG or YBR, for about a grand, then you should be able to run it with minimal depreciation. Problem with 125's that they're broadly the same, so your paying a premium for sports styling, and being your first bike you might drop it (emphasis on might cos you might not) and plastics are expensive to replace.
I'd buy a bike with no service history, assuming you were going to service it soon after buying the bike (cheap for a 125 if you do it yourself), having had a cat c I wouldn't have another tho. My XR was a cat c (didn't check when I bought it  ), never felt right, and could have been an issue when selling it on or trading it in (a lot of dealers won't touch them).
Also you have to consider how the bikes been repaired, as it doesn't even need a new MOT to go back on the road, you could have a dangerous bike on your hands. Obviously if it was sufficiently cheap I might feel differently  but just saying given the choice I wouldn't have a write-off.
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| Travers66 wrote: | I just want a bike to get me about during the summer months rather than driving my car. I could spend 4k on a yamaha and find a motorbike isn't for me and sell it losing lots of money which is why I was looking at a reiju. |
What are you looking for out of bikes? Everything you said in your first post - must be almost new, must be sports-styled with fairing - screams "image", but frankly sporty 125s are mostly a joke.
125s are like bicycles with the acceleration of a slow city car.
The single most distinguishing factor of a big bike is acceleration, due to a high power to weight ratio. 125s do not have a high power to weight ratio.
If you suspect you'd like ride motorcycles and aren't old enough to go the DAS route, get a second-hand 125 and spend your budget on getting a license so that you can ride a bigger bike. The newer your bike, the more you'll lose on depreciation. The sportier your bike, the more you'll pay over the odds, and the more likely it'll have been abused.
IMO it just doesn't make sense to buy any 4-stroke 125cc CBR, YZF, RS etc. unless image is very important to you (but they all look a bit ridiculous to real bikers, with their skinny wheels - things like YBRs, CBFs etc. are at least honest about what they are).
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| Travers66 wrote: | I just want a bike to get me about during the summer months rather than driving my car. I could spend 4k on a yamaha and find a motorbike isn't for me and sell it losing lots of money |
- You could do a CBT course to validate your provisional licence, for under £150 and find you dont like biking, and not bother to go any further.
- You could do a £1000 DAS course, and find biking IS for you, and have a licence that lets you ride anything at the end of it.
- You could spend £3K on a second hand YZF-R125... and it gets nicked; gets knocked off the side-stand or gets crashed, and loose the entire lot.
There's risk whatever you do; trick is to balance risk vs reward.
'Sporty' 125's in general carry a LOT of risk... and don't offer MUCH reward for it.
But, attracted by the 'look' you are filtering out an awful lot of other avenues that could offer you a lot more for your money.
You want to find out if biking is for you? Like I said; have you done CBT? That's a pretty good step in the right direction to answering that question.
If you DO CBT, and you are old enough to do an A2 or DAS course, in all liklihood, school you do CBT with will suggest you dont bother with a 125, and will tell you if you book a course with them, you can have an any-bike-you-like licence inside a week. Guess what? Its an 'any bike you LIKE; if you like a sporty 125's then you can still have one; they dont have to have L-Plates on them.
I said 125's are 'cheap'; and if you do life-time costs on them, they are very cheap per mile. But, they aren't so cheap to buy as bigger bikes; fact you don't have to have a licence to ride them means supply is shorter than demand and prices hold very well; Which is another factor; while 125's owned generally by learners, don't tend to lead easy lives and get best looked after. You can get much more 'bike' for your money in the big bike world. Not just looks and the performance to match it; but in life left in the machine.
And; older full licence holder; on a more sensible big bike often wont pay much more for insurance on one; and if used as leisure equipment on sunny days only, its not going to get so many miles on it; the running costs can be kept reasonable.
And that supply and demand means that before you start shrinking your options looking for pretty specific models of 125, many struggle to find ANY decent bikes in decent nick at sensible money, in anything like a hurry.
So, what do I think would be a good starter bike?
Well, if you want to go with a 125, and it can be a good stepping-stone, 'time on a tiddler is rarely wasted' they can make damn useful training tools; they are light, so they dont have the mass to damp clumsiness, and they don't have the power to forgive wrong gear choices or poor launch technique, so they can; be very very good at instilling good basic machine control, that will stand any-one in good stead on a bigger bike.
Doesn't have to be a life-time though; and for a few months, which is all it may take before you have got 'enough' from one and they are becoming frustrating; benefit might not be all that great for costs involved.
Either way though; the 'bench-mark' starter 125 is the Yamaha YBR125 Learner-commuter.
About £2.5K out the show-room; they aren't expensive compared to the YZF-R125 sat next to it at almost twice the money; they are simple; ecconomical and effective. And well supported from a main-stream Japanese brand.
Difference in top speed is barely 5mph, which is barely here nor there; They aren't carrying the liability of acres of expensive bodywork to risk damaging in minor incident; and they hold thier value well; so all up; they tend to make the most all round economical package; costing less to buy, costing less to own and risking less expensive repair bills. Meanwhile; the riding position isn't compromised for style, its a 'neutral' riding position that gives you best control and balence, and without other compromises to the bikes wheel-base, geometry, steering lock, center of gravity; it also the most natural, neutral and easiest to handle type of bike, with good all round visability and comfort.
Other bikes of similar style, can be compared more or less favourably; but it represents something of an 'optimum' all-round package for a 125 starter bike.
Move away from it, and you start shifting compromises. The Chinese Learner-Commuters, and there are a couple of almost bolt for bolt YBR copes on the market; tend to loose out not being so well supported for spared and accessories and the like; not as well built, and tending to suffer greater depreciation, meaning they can, overall cost more for an upfront saving.
Move away from learner-commuter bikes; and you shift the compromises another way; and the style can hinder rideability and tends to ramp costs, for little gain in anything other than style, of questionable merit.
So, thats a 125 starter bike.... but, go to school do your CBT, and do a course; you can save yourself a lot of potential ownership issues and use one of thiers.
Come out with a full licence; YOUR starter bike needn't be a 125.... so 'big-bike' starters? Well, the usual suspects I reccomend are the commuter twins; the 500 & 650cc two cylinder bikes like teh schools give DAS training on; again, uncompromised for styling, they are easy to ride, well balenced, and pretty ecconomical. Some can be as cheap to run as sporty 125's if not cheaper!
But, while they might look a bit boring; 50bhp over 15 is decidedly not 'so' boring. And they can actually be easier to ride having more mass to damp clumsiness and more power to tolerate muffed gearchanges etc. Yet, not SO much performance as to be particularly daunting or scary.
And IF you want a 'sporty' one; well there are a few about with that fully-faired styling; Common one is the Suzuki SV650.
So, IF you just want a bike for summer; CBT and a DAS course, and within a week or so, you could have a full licence in your pocket, and have a relatively sensible, and sporty 'starter' bike, have spent no more money; got a bike that's in better condition, better supported, and actually has some 'go' to match its 'show'...
And, if after all that, biking dont prove to be for you; you are still no worse off or more or less likely to loose big money punting bike back out, than had you bought a 125.
ONE thing you would get, is TRAINING, and if you want to find out of you like biking, then being trained and taught how to do stuff right, right from the start, TENDS to be a lot more pleasant and enjoyable, a lot cheaper and less painful, than trying to learn by the school of hard knocks, figuring it out for yourself on your own on your own bike.... which, as warned, if its more compromised for looks, is a tripple wammy of expensive liability! Your more likely to bend it; more likely to end up with more expensive repair bill, and all told more likely to find the whole deal less enthralling and 'fun'.
Again, even if as you say, you dont want a 'fast' bike, and many on here will tell you the 'big' starter bikes I suggest like an ER5 or an SV650 are not fast, and some would rather roast thier wedding tackle than suffer the 'frustration' they presume riding one.... they DO have the added weight and added power that means riding one of them 'slow' isn't such hard work, and is usually more comfortable than on a lightweight.
But even then; IF a lightweight is what you really want; no one says you HAVE to have a big bike... you just called a 'big bike a 'real' bike. FUCK THAT idea straight off.
I've been riding bikes thirty something years; I ride a 125 by choice on my FULL licence, without L's. I do HAVE the choice 'cos I have about four bikes to choose from when I pick up my hat... and two of them are bigguns... which is nice choice to have; but pottering about I do actually LIKE the tiddlers. And they ARE as much 'real' bikes as the big-ones.
Might have a top speed of barely 70mph, but that's as fast as anything is legally allowed to go in this country; and faster than most speed-limits; and they can get you into just as much trouble as a big bike if you don't pay them the respect of being a 'real' bike.
But? Light I can chuck one about; nimble, I can filter with abandon; and cheap tyres, good mpg; manages to put a grin on my face just as big as the big-bikes pottering about town and down the local lanes.
Do NOT for one moment try kidding yourself that a 125, is some-how not a 'proper' bike, or that the limited performance in ANY WAY makes them 'safer'.... it don't. Most accidents happen on restricted speed limit roads, at less than the speed limit; you are JUST as likely to come to grief on a 125 as any other capacity machine.
Hence back to training, and having gone through a course; while I dont like 'crash courses' that more often give little more learning than how to pass a test, even that 'little' can be a damn site better than nothing; and THAT is enough to put you LESS at risk as a full licence holder, whether you are on a big bike or little one!
What do I know about Reiju?
Well, name conjurers many thoughts, but image that springs most strongly to mind is one being ridden on CBT play-ground, being written off, the morning it was delivered to its new owner, before it even got used on the road. Didn't even hit the floor, actually; there was this sort of 'clink' noise as rider swerved, and scored it along a wall. Ending the riders CBT. Dealers came to collect it later that evening; and tallied up the repair costs, just on what they could 'see' to have been cracked scuffed or bent; and they reckoned more than half the bikes new list show-room price! And confided to me that it was probably for the best, as if they had to order the bits from Spain, they would probably have the thing cluttering up the work-shop for six months till they arrived.
Do you WANT to know more than that? As a brand, they are as has been suggested, a Spanish Aprillia; they are an assembler using propriety engines and cycle-parts; build quality isn't too bad from what I have seen, but possibly a bit variable; engineering, tends to depend on the source engines and cycle-parts; The Yamaha engines they tend to use can be pretty much trouble free; itailain small bike cycle parts slightly less so. Either way, as with most bikes and learner-legals in general, most problems are likely to be caused by owners rather than engineers.
But, as smaller 'specialist' brand; with few franchise dealers, its a bike that to live with you are either going to pay premium prices to support, paying franchise dealers to look after it, or get to know the specialists and be researching what other, more mainstream machines use the same bits; and struggling to find pictures of to see how it comes apart to fit bits or put them back together. Which again, makes it a much more expensive and much more hassle fraught marque to live with than a more common, Yamaha.
Like I said; you have jumped six steps down an avenue towards what I consider a pretty un-helpful 'starter' motorcycle, that sells on its looks to foolish fashion victims; based on nieve pre-conceptions and ideas.
Back up start at the top; you said you want to get a bike for summer, rather than the car, see if you like it.
Before you can have any bike; you have to do your CBT... lot of learning offered in Compulsarty Basic Traning, it IS training, not a test. And THAT can completely change your ideas and views.
So dont pre-empt that learning; trying to get ahead of yourself. Book and Do CBT.
Next; CBT is a mile-stone; you may NOT want to go any further after doing it. some dont. Most do, and are fiulled with enthusiasm.
You ARE likely to get tempted by a DAS course, AND its not a bad way to go. Its some hours in the saddle finding out if you like biking; and you do it with some-one who can give you advice and pointers along the way, keep you out of trouble, AND give you a reason for being on the bike... and NO ownership worries or hassles.
Week later, you COULD have a full, ride what you like licence for it, and be even MORE fired with enthusiasm than you were after CBT.
Job done; you have found if biking is for you; and you have done it the most pleasant, enjoyable and SAFE way, and come away with some learning to help make the most of your solo riding after.
Whatever bike you choose. COULD still be a 125 IF you want, but dont have to be; point is you have the choice and you have the know-how to make 'better' decissions from it. And if you still reckon that Riaju is the best bike for the job... fair play... BUT you haven't rush in, where angels fear to tread.
Put the LICENCE or at LEAST training, before the bike.
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| Travers66 wrote: | Thanks for your advice,
I could spend 4k on a yamaha and find a motorbike isn't for me and sell it losing lots of money which is why I was looking at a reiju. do you know much about the bike? |
Go S&S (solid and second hand) - i would never buy a brand new 125 (or new anything, as I'm really cheap  )
there are plenty of decent Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki etc. cast off's as most people don't keep 125's long.
I know as much about reiju as i do about Kymco-skyjet/skyteam/sky-name-here-lexmoto-Kymmotojetteam - which is nothing, and thats enough 
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I think I'm pretty qualified to answer this one...
these folks will tell you to be sensible and buy a YBR or CG then pass your bike test blah blah, but some folk aren't old enough/rich enough/interested enough. Look at your options yourself and decide what is right for you.
I've got a Rieju RS3 125 that I commute on and it's a bundle of laughs and looks the biz, 10/10, brings a smile to my face (isn't that what it's about?)
Definitely a big performance difference from a commuter 125, but so far reliabilty has been pretty good. It's the exact same engine as the R125 but carbureted so will go faster than the R125 (and feels slightly faster) but takes an age to warm up on cold mornings. The handling is pretty good as far as I can tell, suspension is SHOWA branded and is excellent but a little soft for my liking, the roads here are terrible and I'd prefer more hardness.
It is possible to derestrict it for a few more ponies if that's what your into. I'm not. (inb4 the "that's illegal, pass your test" brigade)
The brakes are Decent, 2 pot caliper up front, nothing spectacular but about the same as any other 125 I've ridden.
The seating position is VERY aggressive, and the vibrations in the bars can get bad after about an hour. If your 6'+ you might get cramped legs too. But, it's pretty comfy all in all for normal riding, and is about twice as large/wide as a CBR125R, so you won't look like a clown. But obviously the Honda has a proper fuel gauge, good spares/aftermarket too. Probably be more reliable.
Also to note is the aftermarket is basiclaly non-existant, you can find a couple of exhausts and maybe some other goodies but if you need parts you'll need a dealer, even eBay is pretty sparse for this bike.
All in all, I'd probably recommend and there is a 2 year warranty if you buy new which is good.
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