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PostPosted: 12:15 - 10 Jun 2014    Post subject: Replacing a snapped clutch cable on a 2008 Enfield 500 Reply with quote

5 speed Electra pre-EFI.

At the roadside.

With a small multitool.

Cable bodge kit from the local Stealer, or call recovery and let the man with the van suck his teeth and say "Oh, I can't do owt with them new fangled bikes." ?
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 10 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean the bits aren't already under the seat?

Has cable broken/snapped or just frayed and nipple (steady, not that sort) fallen off?
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 10 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
You mean the bits aren't already under the seat?

My cable bodge kit is safely in its tin. Sadly, the tin is not under the seat, nor in the toolbox. Embarassed


map wrote:
Has cable broken/snapped or just frayed and nipple (steady, not that sort) fallen off?

Snapped clean in the middle. It's not immediately obvious how to get at the lower nipple end (it's inside the gearbox), so a man with a van is en-route. I await his outraged "Naebody telt it wiz a motarbike!"
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 10 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Start engine, sit on bike, push along with your feet till you are able to knock it into first, change gears without using clutch, down is easiest if you let the revs drop as low as possible., work out way home without having to stop too much.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 10 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, call Auto Aid, get Man With A Van to take me home in comfort. Did, done, Enfield is now on the Naughty Step in the garage.

It snapped in Glasgow city centre, conveniently right next to a bike bay. Trying to get it out through traffic would have been comical. Very Happy

Small crisis, not many dead.

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PostPosted: 15:58 - 10 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should have been a man and ridden home like me, Laughing

It's an interesting thing, pulling away on a 900 twin without using a clutch, it is a strange feeling having the front wheel off the ground AND the rear spinning at the same time. Shocked
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 10 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rode through the centre of London at about 6pm on my old car with no clutch once. It was... Interesting.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 10 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

without sounding stupid.....how do you change (either up or down) without a clutch?

just had a play, an failed miserably

the gear selector didn't move when the bike was moving Question
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 10 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

To change up

> Accelerate
> Preload Gear (Lift gear lever pressure on it but not enough to change it)
> Snap throttle shut

Should change gear smoothly
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 10 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
without sounding stupid.....how do you change (either up or down) without a clutch?

just had a play, an failed miserably

the gear selector didn't move when the bike was moving Question


basically getting into first is the worse,
get the bike moving as you can, with the bike just idling, then stamp on the shifter, prepare for a jerk when it goes in,
now you are moving and in gear its fine, popping into 2nd will be considerably easier, close off the throttle when going into the next gear,

up through the gears is fairly easy, down is a bit harder, and a bit hairier when you have to come to a stop,

keep finger ready on kill switch, kill bike, flick into neutral, start bike, and repeat what you just did,
its a pain in the arse and quite stressful, but do-able,


6 miles across edinburgh during peak hour was my personal favorite
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 10 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmmnz wrote:
mudcow007 wrote:
without sounding stupid.....how do you change (either up or down) without a clutch?

just had a play, an failed miserably

the gear selector didn't move when the bike was moving Question


basically getting into first is the worse,
get the bike moving as you can, with the bike just idling, then stamp on the shifter, prepare for a jerk when it goes in,
now you are moving and in gear its fine, popping into 2nd will be considerably easier, close off the throttle when going into the next gear,

up through the gears is fairly easy, down is a bit harder, and a bit hairier when you have to come to a stop,

keep finger ready on kill switch, kill bike, flick into neutral, start bike, and repeat what you just did,
its a pain in the arse and quite stressful, but do-able,


6 miles across edinburgh during peak hour was my personal favorite


I had to do it twice now and it was much easier to pull clutch in (if you have clutch switch) and start it in first to get moving
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stopping in Glasgow City Centre is not a small crisis in us southerners book it's a bloody nightmare
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PostPosted: 02:49 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once snapped a throttle cable on a GZ125, RAC there in a handful of minutes, and reliably told by their expert that his somewhat depleted cable bodge kit won't be restocked because "all new bikes have electric or hydraulic". I don't think that was the case then or now, but he was most instant. I wonder whether most RAC motorcycle callouts are home assists on expensive toys that only get used on the 3 sunny weekends of the year.
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PostPosted: 04:41 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

AA guy replaced one on my old cb500 a few months ago. Was there in 20 mins, and constructed - I nearly said bodged, but his work was honestly really neat and he took a lot of care one way or another - a cable at the road side. I bought a genuine Honda cable from David Silver Scares the next day - but the bodgeroo is still on the bike even unto this very day. The new one is hanging oiled in t'garridge - and is half as thick as the one teh AA dude made.
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, following up then.

Man With A Van was from 911 Rescue and Recovery. He didn't do cables, despite being a specialist motorcycle recoverer. From the cabin chat and dearth of tools, I suspect that they mostly just fling 'em in the van and get them home or to a dealer and collect their money - he was taking one down to Coventry later.

He also didn't take cards, despite Auto Aid assuring me that he would, nor give receipts, despite them apparently being required for the claim. Pictures were taken, shenanigans will be played out to the end.

He turned up quickly, recovery was efficient enough, and he was clearly careful, but still managed to catch the starter switch on something and pop it out of its slot. Not terminally, but a reminder to examine your vehicle thoroughly before and afterwards.

It turns out that my Bodge Tin only has a thin cable left, nowhere near as thick as the meaty stock one. That felt bone dry despite having been lubed with 10W40 a month or so previously. Might try gear oil on the next one.


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keep finger ready on kill switch

Did I mention that the kill switch on my bike was helpfully disabled by the original owner to "pre-empt problems with it", and that I hadn't got back around to connecting it? Embarassed

On the other hand... the left one... the decompressor / valve lifter is a lulzy way to stop it, in a sort of wet farty manner.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming the stock cables are crap and pattern ones will also be crap, is it worth going to Venhill to get a set of decent cables made up? Or buying a spool of thick cable and some nipples and making your own ones?

Making cables from scratch seems to be a popular thing in the pushbike world, but not so much for motorcycles. This always seems a bit odd to me, seeing as pattern cables aren't all that cheap and are quite shit.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks I'll bear that in mind. £42 and up, and 7-10 working days though. Making my own, well, yes, that does make sense, I'll look into that. I'd like to re-use the existing sleeve and keep a spare in situ and ready to swap in.

There's a particular issue with Enfields in that they change the designs more often than Smiler claims he's planning to get his license, so I've ordered from Hitchcocks, who are very specific about models and dispatch same-day.

It's "British made" so it'll likely still be the wrong one, it cost 4x as much as an Indian one, and will come pre-rusted and will snap as I'm trying to fit it... Whistle
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

SQL wrote:
To change up

> Accelerate
> Preload Gear (Lift gear lever pressure on it but not enough to change it)
> Snap throttle shut

Should change gear smoothly


just had another go, could get it to go down, but not up

it seemed to go in with a bit of a crunch too Shocked

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PostPosted: 11:09 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
SQL wrote:
To change up

> Accelerate
> Preload Gear (Lift gear lever pressure on it but not enough to change it)
> Snap throttle shut

Should change gear smoothly


just had another go, could get it to go down, but not up

it seemed to go in with a bit of a crunch too Shocked

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Slow the revs right down, much lower than you would using a clutch lever, on a dead throttle just apply gentle pressure with the foot and it will change quite smoothly.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Stopping in Glasgow City Centre is not a small crisis in us southerners book it's a bloody nightmare


It's quite safe and civilised to be frank. Nae chance o a chibbin fae lookin' at a ned a bit hingmy. Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

-20 man points, although I claim the extenuating circumstances of being on a lunchtime run to try and scoop the latest picture challenge.


You can have some chap points for having a serf deal with it while you looked bored. I trust he saluted, doffed his cap and tugged his forelock?
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
SQL wrote:
To change up

> Accelerate
> Preload Gear (Lift gear lever pressure on it but not enough to change it)
> Snap throttle shut

Should change gear smoothly


just had another go, could get it to go down, but not up

it seemed to go in with a bit of a crunch too Shocked

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You will find the gearbox has a point where it works lovely, here is some videos that will help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdrUj1KqNRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIhycth8msU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u9R3h9iHwM
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

What with it being bank holiday in Scotchland today, you should have plenty of time to fix that cable and switch

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PostPosted: 11:30 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ballpien wrote:
What with it being bank holiday in Scotchland today, you should have plenty of time to fix that cable and switch

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Eh? Which bank holiday would that be?

It's not a bank holiday to the best of my knowledge. Not that we get many of them up here - we have our quirky local holiday instead. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 11 Jun 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't be of much help because I'm not sure what happens on the gearbox end of an electra one.

My Bullet is still on it's original clutch cable but I do carry a spare just in case. On those you take the kickstart, gearshift and neutral finder off. Six bolts off for the gearbox cover and remove it. Hook the new cable onto the little lever then reassemble. You need a screwdriver, a 13mm spanner, a 12mm spanner and a 3/8 whitworth spanner as I recall.

If you're just replacing the inner from a repair kit with a solderness top nipple, you just need to swing back a keyhole cover thing and thread the new inner through.

Check the new cable runs free. I've had a couple of "sticky" cables off Hitchcocks before where the inner didn't run properly through a mid-cable adjuster. One of which was a throttle which was entertaining!
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