A1 licence upgrade for an older rider...

[Big125]

I contacted the DVSA (When did that change?) a couple of days ago asking about what I need to do to change my A1 to an A licence (took my tests last year after Jan on my 125). I was after info on this day course to upgrade.

Here is the response bear in mind I'm 35.

"Thank you for your email dated 18 June.

I can confirm that if you wish to upgrade from an A1 licence to an A licence, without progressive access, you will be required to sit a theory test, followed by your module one and then module two. Your module one certificate will be valid for the duration of your theory test.

However, if you wish to upgrade via progressive access, you will have to wait until you have held your A1 for two years and then will be able to take an A2 module one and module two. You would then be required to wait a further two years before upgrading to a category A. If you upgrade via progressive access, your module one certificate will be valid for two years."

WTF? I have to wait another 18 months before I can go to an A2 then another 2 years to go to an A?! but I could retake my theory and go for an A next week??

This makes absolutely no bloody sense!

[wr6133]

Aged 35 you can just do DAS for A. Either a course or somehow get a qualifying bike legally to the Mod1 and 2 and use it. Not sure if you need theory again I'm fairly certain you don't though.

They have just copy pasted you some standard reply.

[Teflon-Mike]

That's my understanding to; BUT look here:-
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/278344/dsa-routes-to-your-motorcycle-licence.pdf
According to thier flow charts, via 'progressive access' previouse licences exempt Mod 1's not Theories, which seems daft; but still; so according to their flow chart, all he need do, if he has still got Theory pass cert and its still in date, is book and test an A3 Mod 2 and pass it.... some-how though, I suspect the 'system' would probably baulk if he tried.

Best advice I can offer is go book a DAS course. Let them sort it with the DVSA!
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[Hokum]

Christ that all looks like a right mess.

"Nah mate you'll have to give us £30 to take your A, or we'll make you wait for 2 years for no bleedin reason so you can take the same ruddy test on a slightly bigger bike and then wait another 2 years for another bigger bike..."

Should be

Take tests if under 19/20 you get an A1 then at 20 you get an A2 automatically then at 24 you get an A.

It's the same bloody test so it shouldn't matter which bike you take it on.

What happened to the CBT+ type thing they were going to do for people wanting to upgrade?

I'm guessing they realised people could be squeezed for more money this way...

I also think that the A1 should cover bikes up to 250cc class which are still learner bikes in some countries! Also it would promote commuting on the cheap.
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[Rogerborg]

[Hokum]

Even schools aren't very clear..
From https://www.1stopinstruction.com/acceleratedaccesseastlondon.html

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[MC]

what the fuck!

This is just stupid, I thought as soon as you had a full license (A1/A2) the requirement for a theory test went, and how the f**k can progressive access rules (which don't make sense anyway) apply to someone who's 35!

This has gone on for long enough, anyone who passes a test on 2 wheels should be allowed a blade immediately, and the f**ktards who came up with these retarded laws need to be hung, drawn and quartered.
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[pinkyfloyd]

Its all good lads. I've had a chat with the boss about this very thing. He can go straight on to DAS as long as he is over 24. Any school that tells you otherwise is trying to get more money out of you. The DAS rules still apply even though he has a full smaller capacity licence.
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[CyrilSwan]

I actually emailed the dsa about this. I'm 31 and have an A1 license. They said that I do not need to re sit the theory test. Just need to do the mods.
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[pinkyfloyd]

I'll ask tomorrow. I'm in the yard so will get it confirmed.
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Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.

[Big125]

Hi all, Well my theory expired in May, so I may/may not be buggered if the DVSA say I do/don't need to retake a theory.

I agree with MC though, the theory test and the practical tests are the same test no matter the bike.

I mean if the A licence had motorway driving or something I could imagine why there would be a difference but there isn't.

I know people don't want 17 year olds on 1 litre rocket ships but they should just age limit it if need be.

[Hokum]

The once proposed "CBT+" upgrade from A1 to higher capacities do kind of make sense.

You have a whole day to learn the differences from an A1 to a full A bike, harsher engine breaking, and the possibly massive weight differences.

Actually showing you how to pick up a heavy bike would be a help. 125's are light and you can do it wrong and not hurt yourself but the same on a 600+ could throw your back out.

Other handling things could be covered, like rev matching, and advanced cornering techniques could be touched on.

Does anything on the 3rd Directive actually say you can't take the test on a 125 and get a full A?
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[Hetzer]

It's harder to learn to ride a horse. Do they need to take various tests before going out on the queen's highway? Tax and insurance?

The civilised world is run by fucktards with crooked agendas.

"Hi, my name's Tim. I'm 17 but have passed my car test and daddy can pay for the insurance...can I has 700bhp Ferrari?"

"Yes".

Fucktards.
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