Tar Spraying and Chippings - Dangerous

[bugeye_bob]

Does anyone have a good reason for councils doing this ?
My local council seems hell bent on killing me with this practice.

[Nexus Icon]

If they used rollers to compress the chippings and then vacuumed up the excess it'd be great. It actually returns a good final surface and lifespan compared to cost but, I agree, those days and weeks after treatment are fucking lethal.

I don't mind on busy main-roads because it's only a couple of days until the loose stuff is all sent to the gutter but they did our street the other year (some of which is unclassified) and there are still loose chippings now.
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[ScaredyCat]

[Cyclingbiker]

Local council have recently done this on a well-used lane on t'other side of Nantwich by Swanley. The road is deep in loose chippings at the moment and is absolutely deadly for anything with two wheels, I had to be extra careful on the pushbike and not touch the brakes at all as the surface was just so loose.

I don't see how they can continue to get away with making the road surface so dangerous like this, even at the recommended 20mph limit if you have to brake suddenly or make a slightly fast turn you are off for sure.
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[J4mes]

At 20mph with excellent clearance between you and the car in front what sudden braking or sharp turning do you need to do?

Just take it easy, you'll be fine.

[bugeye_bob]

[J4mes]

I recovered from a tank slapper after coming off a roundabout and overtaking a car on the exit, cranked right over and running in to a mound of it and then going fishy-wishy up the road as I rolled down without braking. In the dark. /hero

Keep throttle steering and braking gentle, keep your bike upright.

The council aren't going to stop doing it because its not as safe for bikes. It's cheap. It's not their problem if you fall off.

[stinkwheel]

Straw poll.

Given the number of threads whinging about this we get every year. Has anyone ever ACTUALLY fallen off their bike on newly laid chippings.

If you did, were there warning signs and were you obeying them?
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[CaNsA]

Last year I was heading out to either Stormy or Rivi with a couple of mates.

Turned left to be greeted by a bloke with his bike somewhere else while he was laying in the middle of the road.
Stone chippings everywhere, must have been laid that earlier day.
There was a sign, cunningly hidden behind bush on the other side of the road.

You would only see it as you were passing it, and if there were no vehicles blocking your view.

[Wull]

I almost got caught out with this stuff a few years ago just this side of crianlarich,they're usually well posted with warning signs so its usually not a problem.
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[yen_powell]

I know people who won't ride into a gravel car park because they are frightened they'll fall off. God forbid they ever have to deal with a gravel road, they do still exist even in this country.
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[iooi]

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[Matt B]

[pits]

It is shit stuff, but never fallen off.

I have had a windscreen shattered to smithereens because of it, some guy going way too fast other way flicked up loads of stones, blew my windscreen out, covered in glass and had to source a new screen....which was nice.

I've taken the Ducati off road several times, I live in a big farming area and farmers insist on leaving mud everywhere. I actually find the cut up road where they have skimmed a layer off more disconcerting than chippings.
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[bugeye_bob]

also your bike gets covered in crappy Tar

[J4mes]

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[Islander]

[stinkwheel]

I find freshly laid asphalt mastic by far the worst surface to ride on.

If it gets rained on, it is literally like riding on black ice but without the freezing water.
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[orac]

the chipping can be good fun too. the last time i had to ride on them, i was going arond 20-25mph (in 4th iirc) with a car riding very closely behind, dopped a couple of gears and filled his radiator full of chippings - needless to say he then backed off and gave me planty of space, it amy have cost him some money to have the chips in his paint worked repaired too
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[krarkol]

I was in an NSL once and there were no signs at all.

Pressing on a bit and then went round a bend to a sudden change from well worn, but grippy surface, to the loose gravelly shit. I was leaning over doing about 35-40. I've got the bike as upright as I can but the rear just fishtailed like crazy!

Hate the stuff!
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[evoboy]

They have done it nearly everywhere round here, even on roads that they resurfaced last year.

On mos t of the roads, it has all been broken up and all thats left is the bare layer underneath.

Its worse than the chippings to ride on.
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[iooi]

[smithyithy]

It's called surface dressing. It's cheap and cheerful for councils to use (can't be used on motorways or certain A-roads hence you most likely see it on local or B-roads).

It's about 20% of the cost of asphalt per square metre, and it can be laid and traffic'd in the same day, as it doesn't require anything to be planed out, unless they do some minor patching beforehand.

I don't like it, but it's something we have used on some single carriageways.

The idea is it goes on a road that's getting a bit dated, starting to chip away and crack.. Rather than spend £100k resurfacing, they spend £20k on this. The bitumen falls into the cracks and chipped areas, then the stone goes on top.

After being rolled it can be driven on almost immediately and should be swept again in 24 hours, then lined and marked.

You'll notice it's a greeny-grey colour most of the time (might vary depending on contractor / area), costs something like £6-7 per sq.mtr.

Our contractor has a secondary product that they can apply the next day for like £2 per sq.mtr extra, that paints the surface black so it looks like asphalt, and completely seals it, eliminating any further chippings. More contractors are starting to use this 2-stage method so it should be getting better an area at a time.

It is a bitch to ride / drive on right after, although they do put the speed signs up to cover their own asses, cars rarely ever stick to them.

It should only be a few days until all the chippings have set and been swept, at which point you've got a decent surface that should hold for a good few years, and has an initial (say, first 6 month period) skid resistance better than newly laid asphalt, as the stones are already exposed and don't need the bitumen scrubbing off them.