Intelligent Athiests, can't defend evolution

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckfrn5-86xU

[Lord Percy]

Stopped at the bit where the dickhead with the microphone thought he'd stumped them with the 'millions of years ago therefore not observable current evidence' thing.

For a start, he needs to learn about carbon dating.

EDIT: Watched a bit more of it. Now he claims that attempts to recreate evolution in a lab have failed because bacteria just changed into new kinds of bacteria, and fish just changed into slightly different fish.

This moron has no idea of the physical subtleties of genetic variation over short time spans. Bacteria evolving into a new type bacteria is really quite good proof of some kind of evolutionary action.

As one of the professors in the video said, the guy is asking for examples of macro-evolution, e.g. a difference between cats and dogs. This fucking moron doesn't understand that even the smallest evolutionary hiccup (e.g. - as the professor also said - bacteria acquiring new metabolic capabilities) IS evolution.

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Also note how it's captioned in Arabic so the Muslim cavalry are probably loving this biased piece of shite video too.

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Ray Comfort - The banana man.
Yeah, this guy has been refuted more than a handful of times for the dumb-crap he says.
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A 'change of kinds'? - Easy! Feathered dinosaurs to modern birds. Evolution is just a term that encompasses many small changes over time.

There is also evidence to suggest that Brachylophosaurus is the decendant of modern day chickens and ostriches, as 68 million year old soft tissue contained identical collagen.


This guy seems to want some proof of observable, repeatable 'change of kinds'. Unless he plans on living for 100+ million years he hasn't got a chance of the former, and the latter would be impossible. Even in an identical environment, identical adaptation is unlikely to take place.

Also, I love the following comment:

"I got an even better one for the evolutionist. How did life start. bwhahaha."

Yes, exactly how did 'God' arrange amino acids to build proteins, proteins to build cells, and cells to make organisms? He must have been a scientist!
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[tbourner]

Video selecting people who claim to be scientists but are not versed in debate, trying to answer questions which twist the meaning of words in order to confuse. I've heard that some religious people are actually taught how to trick non-believers with the way they word things and adjust the logical thought process.

Proper debates are much more interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9yQEG7mlTU

I don't know why when this question comes up people don't mention things like Tiktaalik; "missing link" between fish and reptiles. This is one of the best vids I've found on the evolution argument from the OP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AS6rQtiEh8
I think she's one of those 'trained' ones, she's good at tripping (non-debating) people up, Dawkins got a bit frustrated I think.
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[Itchy]

TBH it doesn't even have to be genetic changes. Also I remember Amanda the resident biologist always say, individual life forms do not evolve only species

I remember all the way back to school, there were white moths and there were black moths.

Pre 1700 they lived in balance with each other relatively stable populations. Then industrial revolution came along and coal burning made soot normal, white moth populations were annilated black moths camouflaged increased as a % of the population.

No genetic changes, but this speicies propagates itself more than the other
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[Lord Percy]

I watched David Attenborough's first major BBC nature documentary series last month - Life on Earth (1979).

He specifically made it to explain how life evolved from nothing, from chemical compounds having a certain physical property causing them to be drawn to each other, leading to the eventual creation of DNA and cell walls, which at the time was nothing more than a collection of atoms fitting together in the most balanced equilibrium, just like an ionised atom will collect an electron for the same reason of equilibrium.

The reason the atoms were so comfortably drawn to each other was because of the molecular make-up and temperature/pressure of the environment they were in. It was simply the only thing that could have happened, given the circumstances of their existence at that time. Just like a dense collection of matter will melt and start to undergo fusion in its core, resulting in a star, because of the physical parameters of its own existence.

So life, although of course miraculous, is still nothing more than a logical by-product of the right set of elements being in the right conditions for long enough.

After this, the logic of evolution is obvious. Depending on the given conditions, certain collections of molecules (i.e. DNA) will more readily survive than others. That's how mutations occur.

Really interesting first episode. David Attenborough is a genius. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7qIrawmBRc&list=PLyU3x24ft_NCqfLOW8BCc96F8cUl2W9JE&index=1. You might need a proxy like Zenmate for Chrome to watch it because youtube says it's not available in the UK.

EDIT: Skip to 21:00 in the clip to see the part where he explains how life started. It's only a two minute section from the episode.

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