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NJD
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: New lexmoto venom.. opinions? Reply with quote

Hi all,

So I know a lot of you may hate chinese bikes or would never touch them with a barge pole.. or a barge pole connected to another barge pole extended by a extended barge pole.

With the above aside, I'm interested strongly in changing my current lexmoto bike to another at the end of the year and originally wanted to go with the "Lexmoto ZSX" based on the fact that it looked the part and had been the bike I originally wanted to own, funds and insurance said different for my first year on the roads, aiming to get my A1 license out the way this year and based on pure hope I wish to switch bikes, so..

Lexmoto have just started to upload a new bike on their website the "Lexmoto Venom", wasn't expecting big things but then googled the name of the bike and found the image (bottom of post), i'm in love with the styling and honestly wouldn't second guess starting to save the money now based on looks alone.

As you can guess, I'm a fan.. looks like a stylish street fighter commuter with a very, very nice looking stock exhaust.

On the negative side the typical deprecation and rust that these bikes are famous for would probably rewin that showroom look.. tempting nevertheless.

Most important info;

Price = £1349
Top Speed = 55mph


https://s16.postimg.org/b3ka5fug5/lexmoto_venom.jpg

Also the black plastic ontop of the tank is some sort of MP3 player that has speakers something or another.. not sure what there's plans are?

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PostPosted: 01:59 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's Chinese, what more can you say.
I would rather they spent the money on the MP3 player on improving the quality of materials used for building the bike personally.
Considering the price you could get a decent Jap bike second hand.
But if that's what you want go fo it.
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PostPosted: 02:59 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check post #4

https://www.125ccsportsbikes.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=81291
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't just don't.
save ya money do ya tests and get a sports bike instead.

my street give me hard time once every 3 months.
the venom will suffer with all the issues lexmoto suffer with.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're going to get told to buy Jap or save your money and take your test, I guarantee it.

But the question was "views?"

Well i think the mirrors, exhaust and front discs look nice. The bike overall looks pretty good, better than my YBR. I like the green one.

I'd never buy one though. This forum alone is crammed with woeful tales of bikes like this disintegrating after one winter. Electrics frying, screws and bolts turning to mush, rust, flux, lack of spare parts. etc.
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: New lexmoto venom.. opinions? Reply with quote

NJD wrote:

As you can guess, I'm a fan.. looks like a stylish street fighter commuter with a very, very nice looking stock exhaust.


You know VHT paint is cheap?


NJD wrote:

Most important info;

Price = £1349
Top Speed = 55mph



No the most important info is the actual technical info and the Chinese model designation (e.g. hn125-8.... etc) as with that you can see where it was made and what it should cost.


NJD wrote:

Also the black plastic ontop of the tank is some sort of MP3 player that has speakers something or another.. not sure what there's plans are?


£5 off taobao. They sound like shit and eat the battery of a bike that probably barely manages to charge the thing anyway.

NJD wrote:

Views?


You did the sensible thing and bought a cheap one that does what it says on the tin. These "fancier" ones are for fools. I suspect this is like that "new" supermoto thing they did recently and all that was, was an old model with a few cosmetic changes. Cheap ones at that, exhausts domestic made in China can be had retail on Taobao for a tenner, picture perfect (fake) Yoshi cans only cost a little more, wavy disks cost a few pounds, MP3 things again a fiver or less....... and this is retail so it's cost the factory and then lexmoto a lot less but they use it to jack the price way up.

What matters is.... how fast does it go, how often does it break and what does it cost. It probably goes the same speed as a vixen, breaks more often and costs a pile more.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does look fairly MT-125. Parts will be fine, it's a Lexmoto. Check that it's on insurance comparison site lists. Any comments on its likely reliability or durability are made from ignorance (specific and probably general too) and can be ignored.

I wouldn't though. What we do know is that it's just another ~10hp air cooled commuter with some fancy plastics. It will not go nearly as well as it looks, and it will depreciate rapidly.

You're looking at about £1K to change your Arrow to that bike. That's your A1 license plus some top end riding gear. I'd spend on that first, then consider whether you want to sink more on 125s or save for your A2.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
I wouldn't though. What we do know is that it's just another ~10hp air cooled commuter with some fancy plastics, and it will depreciate rapidly.


Looks stylish indeed, did try and get a quote on a comparison site but they don't have it added to their list yet.. I assume it's in the process of being imported.

10BHP.. Not far off.. specifications state 8.5kw / 11bhp in comparison to my Arrow's 7.4kw / 9.9bhp.. so a little more power, and yes.. it is air cooled, although I've never experienced issues thus far based on my bike not being liquid cooled?

As for the plastics I would have to visit a "dealership" or shop as I did like the look of the Pulse Adrenaline 250 at one point but then found out that the underneath / insides of the plastics where not painted.. basically half a job, in terms of quality.. most of the Arrow's plastics cost around £20-30.. says it all.

Rogerborg wrote:
You're looking at about £1K to change your Arrow to that bike. That's your A1 license plus some top end riding gear. I'd spend on that first, then consider whether you want to spend more on 125s or save for your A2.


Just the Alpinestar boots / RST jacket left to get when the funds allow, I dread to think what people think when they see someone with a AGV helmet on a lexmoto.. not sure it fits in but I'd rather have the protection than looks Laughing

Insurance prevents any change of bike until the end of the policy even if I had the funds, so it wouldn't be until the end of the year.. plenty of time to make a sensible decision.. and as you say, hopefully by that time I'd have the A1 out the way.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
it is air cooled, although I've never experienced issues thus far based on my bike not being liquid cooled?

Mmm, I didn't mean to imply that there's anything inherently wrong with air cooled. It's simpler, but the engine runs hotter so it wants more frequent oil changes. It was really just an observation that it's one of the same basic old (but proven) technology Honda or Suzuki derived lumps that are found in just about every other Chinese made 125. Like the Lexmoto (really Skyjet) XTR, a CBR copybike which looks hilarious with a kick-start sticking out. Wink

NJD wrote:
I did like the look of the Pulse Adrenaline 250 at one point but then found out that the underneath / insides of the plastics where not painted.. basically half a job

Mmm, spicy110 on YouTube was pointing out that his Sinnis Apache's plastics were of better quality than the visually almost identical Pulse Adrenaline, so it does bear checking.

All of that said, it's a visually appealing bike and probably will doubtless sell well to folk who want a MT-125 or KTM Duke but can't stretch to the finance.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
which looks hilarious with a kick-start sticking out. Wink


Nice to have a backup but when your a teenager in a world of technology and never experienced the old way of starting bikes I think most of us now rely on the starter button and wouldn't know what to do without it.. sort of like a world without the internet.. all in all, I'd prefer a bike without one.. attempted to use the one on the arrow once, yeah.. didn't go well Laughing Rolling Eyes

Rogerborg wrote:
Mmm, spicy110 on YouTube was pointing out that his Sinnis Apache's plastics were of better quality than the visually almost identical Pulse Adrenaline, so it does bear checking.


I was also tempted by the sinnis once, although the lack of not being able to get parts but through a dealer.. I predicted sky high prices for order and fitting without another way out like lexmoto being able to order them yourself with next day delivery.

practically > looks imo.

Rogerborg wrote:
All of that said, it's a visually appealing bike and probably will doubtless sell well to folk who want a MT-125 or KTM Duke but can't stretch to the finance.


I'd say I like the look of both the above.. but could never justify the price tags given to them, especially for a 125cc.

See what reviews and feedback the bike has in a years time, all in all any common faults or things that need chaining from the off would have been made public by then.. and I can only assume for the budget bike looking for something stylish, they'll sell enough inbetween now and then.

Time will tell.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The depeciation on a top end 125, such as the KTM, or Yamaha MT/R125rrRRRr will be about £1349 in the first 12 months.

Buying one of these may be the sensible financial choice in comparison to one of the 'premium' brands.

You'll also lose or gain more than 1hp from a well adjusted and lubricated chain. Rather than spending so much cash on gaining an extra HP, make sure you chain is spot on
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="NJD"]
Rogerborg wrote:
which looks hilarious with a kick-start sticking out. Wink


Nice to have a backup but when your a teenager in a world of technology and never experienced the old way of starting bikes I think most of us now rely on the starter button and wouldn't know what to do without it.. sort of like a world without the internet.. all in all, I'd prefer a bike without one.. attempted to use the one on the arrow once, yeah.. didn't go well Laughing Rolling Eyes

It's also so easy to bump start a 125, that there isn't much need for one if it is only to be used as a backup
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they look rather nice.

Probably less chance of going pop than the 16 year old R6 I just bought at similar price.
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Dressed up turd Reply with quote

How many times do you youngsters have to be advised on this subject ?

It's cheap for a very good reason, it's made of cheese, it's another attempt at parting fools with their hard earned cash.

Just fucking don't keep buying these pieces of shit EVER ( innit) jut coz it'z pretty (ish)
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks wise it's a tidy looking bike and for a young lad I can see it's got appeal.
At 1300 quid you can look at it in the same light as a mobile phone contract. Think of it like that and it starts to make a bit of sense, my mrs pays £50 a month for 2 years for a iphone6 and I can bet in 2 years the phone will be worth bugger all and she'll want the next one. It's the throw away society thing.

Buy this bike pay your monthly payment and ride it for 2 years, if its buggered scrap it and get a new one or possibly if you are lucky you might get a few hundred to put towards the new one.

You can't compare it to a jap or the like bike as it's not aimed to replace those bikes it's aimed at getting around cheaply and because it's cheap it has a limited life span. Treat it like a train or bus pass, you get a new one every year.
It can make sense, you just have to think a little differently.

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PostPosted: 14:29 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: Dressed up turd Reply with quote

Hooky wrote:
it's made of cheese

In parts, it probably is. Like the cranks on 2002/2003 Triumphs, or the brake flanges on... well, half the BMWs sold in the past decade.

Since you can't have had one of these Lexmotos yet, and I doubt you've had a Chinese branded bike, you're generalising though, ain'tchya?

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PostPosted: 23:03 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similar topic posted on a forum I use dedicated to chinese bikes, after one member had a look in the flesh the worst that could be said is to expected with the price point.. and that was.. the regular cheap plastics.. and paint in certain places might need with repainting to give it a better finish.

I think this bike (if it runs like it looks) could basically made the ZSX pointless as it's a little cheaper and also has the small features such as a rear disc brake (some might prefer).

It's certainty changed my mind to "Venom > ZSX" at this point anyway.

I'd buy this with hesitation if.. the gearbox design and functionality was considerably better than the Arrow's.. there's nothing like having you ride pooped on and mood changed because every other time you want to go up or down a gear the bike decides to have a mind of it's own.

There are things I'd need to look at in person.. for example the redline position as the Arrow max power is at 8,500rpm and yet the redline starts at 8,000rpm.

Summary.. in specs it's not much faster than my Arrow and costs a lot more, infact I could buy another Arrow including OTR fee and still have money left over.. although if I gain an A1 license and want something to upgrade to I think this might just be it.

The top speed being 55mph doesn't bother me as a 17T sprocket would quickly change that and make the bike more suitable to ride (based on experiences of riders on previous models).

Just wait until the dealerships have them in to get an opinion in person.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brick Wall It won't be an upgrade, it's a similar (probably the exact same) engine as the arrow. All you get extra is a pile of super-budget bin parts and more lurid plastics.

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the regular cheap plastics.


I wouldn't expect the outer pattern to be painted on the inners of the plastics. I don't think that is just a lexmoto issue

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the gearbox design and functionality was considerably better than the Arrow's


It'll be the same

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for example the redline position as the Arrow max power is at 8,500rpm and yet the redline starts at 8,000rpm.


Mine starts at 14k and ends at 16k so must be really shit then.

If you want an upgrade get an NSR125. Anything else is really just a sidegrade.
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 18 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well here is the info for it anyway (courtesy of the direct bikes webshite)

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Entirely new to the Lexmoto range for 2015 is the Lexmoto Venom 125. The Venom is the Lexmoto ZSX’s rebellious little brother! Available in Kawasaki green/black or white/blue colour options. This model utilises an incredibly smooth CBB engine, mono rear shock, and big bike looks! With the big bike look also comes big bike feel, with the chunky sports tyres providing plenty of grip and feel from the road. Braking power comes in the form of front and rear wavy disc brakes. The Lexmoto Venom 125 comes with an MP3 player with speakers built into the tank, as well as practical additions such as solid rear grab rails and a centre stand. Perfect for beginners, with excellent upright seating position and digital display included as standard.


Can they say "Kawasaki Green"? Is it not trademarked or something?

It is made by the lovely committee at Senke Motor ( Heshan Guoji Nanlian Motorcycle Industry Co.,Ltd )
https://www.nanlianmotor.com/cn/en_product_detail.asp?id=675&SmallclassP=346&classP=121

and the total lack of parts for it on Taobao indicate it must be brand spanking new to even the Chinese domestic market. It did however apparently win an award at a Canton trade show, myself I read that as a Chinese show aimed at exporting units of anything in bulk to anyone decided to loudly proclaim to a room of foreigners they should buy this.
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 19 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
and the total lack of parts for it on Taobao indicate it must be brand spanking new to even the Chinese domestic market.


From a brand point of view I would personally have most confidence in it being sold under lexmoto based on there ability to provide parts and have quite a large amount stored and ready to sold for a range of bikes.

I am of the opinion however that I wouldn't invest in a newly released bike straight away as I would want support and a reputation for that model to be built up over time.

Some of the technical specifications for the recently released ZSF and Lexmoto Adrenaline haven't been published yet.. so again, it's better to wait for a reputation to be built as opposed to being "one of the first".

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I wouldn't expect the outer pattern to be painted on the inners of the plastics. I don't think that is just a lexmoto issue


Again another one to add to the list of things to inspect, the "cheap plastics" where about quality as opposed to finish.. as far as I'm aware the "Pulse Adrenaline" is the only bike I've ever seen with half painted plastics in the lexmoto/pulse range.

(Haven't seen ZSF or Adrenaline).

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It'll be the same


I'd really have to say this is just generalising again.. your opinion nevertheless of course.

I don't hope for a silky smooth gearbox just something that doesn't make the ride uncomfortable.. as far as I'm aware the sister Vixen bike doesn't have the same issues as the Arrow.. so they all differ.. in little amounts.
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 19 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:

wr6133 wrote:
It'll be the same


I'd really have to say this is just generalising again.. your opinion nevertheless of course.

I don't hope for a silky smooth gearbox just something that doesn't make the ride uncomfortable.. as far as I'm aware the sister Vixen bike doesn't have the same issues as the Arrow.. so they all differ.. in little amounts.


No I base my statements on research you base yours on.... well I have no fucking idea what you base them on but I don't think you do either

As to your gearboxes

Arrow - 157FMI engine
Vixen - 157FMI engine

and this magical new mystery venom (which is only a mystery because you seemingly can't google it) uses, wait for it...... 157FMI

(and I know that from this https://www.lexmoto.co.uk/partsbybike_SK125-22.php?cat=3041 )
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 19 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
As to your gearboxes

Arrow - 157FMI engine
Vixen - 157FMI engine


I'm aware the arrow and the vixen share the same engine, although both provide different power outputs.. with the vixen being the stronger from feedback of long term owners.

And I base mine on the fact that two different bikes sharing the same engine don't encounter the same problem.. i'm yet to read accounts of owners of the Vixen regarding a poor gearbox design causing problems.

Although.. all being said.. time will tell.
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 19 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
i'm yet to read accounts of owners of the Vixen regarding a poor gearbox design causing problems.

Although.. all being said.. time will tell.


It's the same design

157FMI transmission and selector diagrams

https://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh504/wr6133/157FMI_GEAR_SELECTOR_zpskwtci6dm.jpg

https://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh504/wr6133/157FMI_TRANSMISSION_zpshgjldf6l.jpg

Your particular 157FMI is even made in the same bloody factory as the vixen, so are you suggesting that based on your issues that the factory specially uses cheese parts in the arrow? More likely you have a Friday special or you are a potato and fucked it up yourself.
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PostPosted: 01:43 - 19 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
so are you suggesting that based on your issues that the factory specially uses cheese parts in the arrow?


No.

Simply saying that for whatever reason despite the Arrow and Vixen sharing parts the Vixen seems to be the stronger out of the two.

And the "time will tell" was in regards to how well the Venom will perform.

Anyway.. back to the venom.
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