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PostPosted: 20:43 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Internet Dating tips Reply with quote

Dear BCF,

I won't bore you with the long version of the story, but basically: the wife and I decided to take a break 18 months ago as we weren't getting on, the break was on a "we'll see what happens" basis. I thought things were on track and we seemed to be getting on great with things moving in the right direction until she told me a couple of weeks ago that she's now seeing someone else.

So ignoring the gutting feeling, the heart ache, the worry about the kids etc I now have another problem...

I've decided the best thing to do is to move on and try and meet someone else. I'm 28 now and have been with my wife most of my adult life so I've never actually been on a date (I know, pathetic!) so genuinely have no idea what to say to women!!! I'm normally fine talking to anyone about anything really, but as soon as its in a "dating" capacity I'm screwed, my mind seems to decide to shut down and go blank.

Help BCF... How do normal men meet normal women without looking like a complete tit head or a stalker?!?!? And the "be yourself" thing is useless as I have no idea what to say!
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:06 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs Angryjonny and I met at work. Both our ages started with a 3 when we finally admitted we were "an item" - this meant we had worked out who we were and what we wanted, rather than putting up crap in a miserable relationship like you do in your twenties (I did).

I'd love to see the statistics of divorce rates vs age when married. I'd suspect there was a proportionality there.

Anyway. if you're looking for a woman to spend the rest of your life with just be yourself. If she doesn't like "yourself" it would never work anyway. If you put up a facade then it's a facade you have to keep going for the rest of your life.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you've been through the mill, make sure you give yourself plenty of time. 28 is still young so don't feel an urge to rush madly into anything.

I've very rarely been out on random dates as and have always just kind of met people i got on with in and around my normal life. My personal opinion of the whole dating thing (after being willfully single for a number of years) is it seems more complicated and hard-work than things just turning up. . . .or possibly i'm older, sh1ttier and have a lot less patience with people in general Very Happy

I guess don't over think it is probably the best approach. But i realise that's a kind of tarted-up version of 'be yourself' Rolling Eyes But just go out and about to bike meets, out with mates just places your likely to meet people with similar interests which will raise your chances of meeting someone you hit it off with.

One of my friends who'd also been single for ages has chucked herself into online dating and is tirelessly making the effort to go out on various dates. I'm not convinced i can be arsed with it as it just seems weird to me to go out on a date with someone you barely know. But she's liking it so i think it's just a personal thing so try it out and see what you reckon.



To save bcf the effort, inb4 - tits, gary, chloroform, "get in the van", fat birds are more grateful etc etc etc
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't feel as though you have to rush into another relationship, it's not yet a crime to be on your own.
In my experience, romance has a way of finding you without your having to go rushing out looking for it.

Just enjoy yourself, doing what you like and it's quite likely you'll find a lass there.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now is that me thinking like a girl or Cornish thinking like a lad???
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehe! we're both geniuses (or possibly genii Confused ) Wink
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's something to be said for not getting married. I've been with LadyShaftesbury for 15 years, since we were both 18. Don't really want to jinx it now.

I probably shouldn't be posting in this thread at all, I've no idea how to bag a filly. It probably involves going to art galleries *shudders*
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cornish wrote:
hehe! we're both geniuses (or possibly genii Confused ) Wink


No...it's geniuses.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cornish wrote:
hehe! we're both geniuses (or possibly genii Confused ) Wink


Stop it! You'll be wanting to polish my lamp next Shocked
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehe! I hope you're not wearing curly shoes and pantaloons Very Happy


The Artist wrote:
cornish wrote:
hehe! we're both geniuses (or possibly genii Confused ) Wink


No...it's geniuses.


I can't be expected to know which it is. My brain is emptied out for today so there's nothing but piffle left now Sad
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

cornish wrote:

hehe! I hope you're not wearing curly shoes and pantaloons Very Happy


Not me, think some of BCF may have me pegged more as a sandals and socks type Sad
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

just get out and do things, you'll meet women.

when you talk to them, there's nothing you need to say. all they want is for you to be interested in them. so just ask them questions. what they do, what they like, etc.

however, you must remember the answers, you will be tested on your listening skills at some stage.


where do you meet women? anywhere.

bars are a 50/50. if youre both hammered it's not exactly the right foot to get off on. but you can meet nice women there.

the gym is probably a no no, they'll feel stalked and they'll think they look like shit because theyre sweating and red faced.

other places depend on what you like doing. there's no good meeting a woman at a wine tasting if you hate wine for example.

take up dancing, i used to do salsa, and on any given night, us blokes would be outnumbered by about 6 to 1. which means you swap around a lot and you meet a lot of women. just one useful example anyway.

internet is a minefield, you may have luck, you may not. but it's gotta be worth a go

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PostPosted: 23:31 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm 28 now and have been with my wife most of my adult life so I've never actually been on a date (I know, pathetic!) so genuinely have no idea what to say to women!!! I'm normally fine talking to anyone about anything really, but as soon as its in a "dating" capacity I'm screwed, my mind seems to decide to shut down and go blank.


It isn't pathetic, 'dating' is a bullshit american thing, that's been forced on us over here, into a culture that doesn't quite know how to work with it. Just be yourself, and talk the same way you would talk to anyone, however, I know what it's like to get the nervous mind shut down thing, so there are things you can do.

This site, I found pretty useful at the beginning. There are articles on there, dealing with pretty much every issue you're likely to have, and it's better than any of the guide books I actually paid for Rolling Eyes

https://www.littleredrails.com/blog/first-date-conversations/

Talks about having a script in your head of stuff to say, and using it. You'll find the conversation will find it's own way after a while, but if it starts to dry up, you've got ready made stuff in your head to move it along. Still, sounds somewhat forced, and it is.

Basically just focus on them, if you find yourself saying 'I' too much, or telling too much of your own story, you are doing it wrong. It comes naturally to me not to focus on myself when talking generally, because it makes me uncomfortable, so that has worked out fine.

Online dating (for men) is a lot of wasted time for very limited results. It takes quite a while to learn how to present yourself in a way that will get people to respond - and it's entirely false at this stage, it's just a game you need to play a certain way, because seeing a small snapshot + description of someone 'online' is such a narrow window to grab their attention. So once you've learned all that stupid crap, then you get onto actually meeting people.

Males and females are equally shallow, when it comes to online. It's basically about how you look. I could link you to several females, who post pics up on twitter of every bloke that contacts them through online dating, that they reject. Will the sole intention of mocking them behind their back, amongst their friends. So don't believe any of this "I just want a nice guy" thing.

Then you realise that the whole "dating" thing is really contrived. You're attempting to force things to happen between two people who might never have met otherwise, so the odds are pretty slim that it's going to work.

It will increase your confidence in talking to new people though, so could be worth it from that perspective. On the other hand, it could completely destroy your confidence, if you get rejected too many times. It can be a pretty rough game really.

The women are all obsessed with this word "chemistry" because they have read too much Mills and Boon. What chemistry really comes down to, is whether or not the atmosphere is right in the random pub you probably chose, and whether or not you manage to make a decent bit of eye contact. It's bullshit really, and can be quite manipulative.

I got tired of it in the end, after a while, meeting up with new person after new person, going through the same old conversations (yes, it's always 'slightly' different) but it's basically the same 'getting to know you stuff' that will probably be irrelevant in a few weeks when they decide three dates down the line, that they can't be arsed,

It starts to become like hard work, and that is totally against the whole idea of it.

Just enjoy being on your own, make your own life, do exactly what you want to do. Something will probably come along sooner or later, and if it doesn't well then who cares, because you are enjoying your life anyway.

If you aren't happy on your own, don't presume you will magically be happy finding someone to fill that gap in your life, because after a while, you won't be.

Yes some people get lucky, just like the lottery, hence the online dating success stories, and some people simply aren't that fussy. I've met a couple of good friends from it, which is kinda cool, but apart from that, a lot of time wasted.

I'm happier since i've started to focus on myself and what I actually want to do, instead of what I think I should be doing.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Re: Internet Dating tips Reply with quote

Ol wrote:

Help BCF... How do normal men meet normal women without looking like a complete tit head or a stalker?!?!? And the "be yourself" thing is useless as I have no idea what to say!


Do not restrict yourself to women, give it a try.
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PostPosted: 23:48 - 18 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goose hit it on the head.

Why do people want to date at all? It is so false. All that BS...
Having done the family thing, now happily single. No shortage of sex parthers if it is your thing.

After having kids the biological instinct to mate is not so important and it is just sex. The whole true love BS is just that. Without raising a family it has no objective. So why chase it?

The idea of a date is like going to a dentist. To fill a hole.

Please no. My life is happy. Hy add misery grief and hormonal imbalances into it. Rather just see it for what it is: BS to dress up sex

Chemistry lol! Another BS word. They are not looking for chemistry. That is found in a lab and generates new polymers and useful things. They are looking for a chemical imbalance to justify making stupid choices that lead to grief after a brief 'high' because their reality is too boring.
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 01:01 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

EazyDuz wrote:
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PostPosted: 02:54 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Online dating is a bit dodgy. I found most wanted sex straight away - pretty much skipping the dating bit altogether. That's ok for a bit of fun but I like a woman to have a bit more class.

Real world dating is all about luck and being in the right place at the right time. Make a concious effort to be friendly and chatty to every woman you meet. Within no time you will get talking to a nice one.

Don't bottle it when it comes to asking her out as you'll regret it. For me, that's worse than being knocked back. Give your number rather than ask for hers as it's less pressure.

I met the girl of my dreams, one afternoon, outside a knitting shop of all places. I saw she was fit, got talking and we hit it off within seconds. When I think about it, it kind of does my head in that I could easily have missed such a chance encounter if I hadn't made the effort to talk to her or I hadn't walked that way at exactly that time.

Anyway what I'm saying is, if you put the effort in you'll reap the rewards. If you don't go looking you'll get nothing.
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joenitro wrote:
Online dating is a bit dodgy. I found most wanted sex straight away - pretty much skipping the dating bit altogether. That's ok for a bit of fun but I like a woman to have a bit more class.

Laughing You must have been one of the lookers Goose was talking about ...
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think it's more to do with there being a lot of easy women by where I live lol
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all for the replies - gives me something to think about. Karma

Wildgoose - that's great mate, thank you!


cornish wrote:
Sounds like you've been through the mill, make sure you give yourself plenty of time. 28 is still young so don't feel an urge to rush madly into anything.

It's not that i want to rush back into anything, and am certainly not desperate to meet someone and move them in etc - quite the opposite really, i have a few mates who i can spend time with etc but i just miss that female company, and after a year or so of being single it would be nice to have someone to share things with etc! for some crap reason it seems to feel worse on the run up to xmas when everyone's organising nights out and i have to keep scrubbing out the +1 on invitations Very Happy
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeez, I don’t know why I’m posting in this thread, to be honest, I aint no lothario!

However, I can assure you women and men both want the same thing when they’re on a date, and no I’m not talking about sex. Think about it, when you’re out with your mates having a really good time, unless you’re some emo kid, self-harming in the corner, you’re probably having a laugh and joke.

The thing about laughing is you have to drop any façade, you may have put on, to do it. Once that façade has dropped you can, usually, talk to each other like normal human beings. Let’s face it no one likes a miserable cnut of whatever sex!
You’re going to have to try a lot harder than reciting a string of jokes from the joke thread, though.
I guarantee, that in any survey, ever done on the subject, the ability to make someone laugh will be in the top two.
Sorry to break this to you all, most people have no interest in bikes at all, don’t talk about them, unless you’re specifically asked!
angryjohnny is exactly right, there is no getting around “being yourself”!
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

All you need to know.

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PostPosted: 08:59 - 19 Oct 2012    Post subject: Reply with quote

As my mum tells me when meeting new people, 'Don't be yourself, because people don't like that.'

Thanks mum. Laughing
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