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PostPosted: 22:00 - 18 Jul 2014    Post subject: Quitting a job - Advice Reply with quote

There is a chance I will be receiving an offer from another firm in the next few weeks, so I am beginning to plan my departure from my current firm.

This will be my first time ever quitting a job, I am a bit nervous, and I have some concerns that I would be very grateful to receive advice regarding.

- Should I write my boss a letter and give it to him when I quit? What should I write about?

- Am I obliged to tell my boss any details about where I am going? I would prefer not to tell him.

- Am I obliged to do anything for him after informing him that I am leaving?

- My contract says I need to give 30 days' notice of termination. In practice, is it common to serve out this entire period?

- I am employed as a Ltd company. When I leave, and become a perm employee at the other place, do I have to do anything to the company?

- Anything else that I should know about or do?

I feel very guilty leaving them actually, since they are only a very small firm. This week my boss actually offered me a pay rise beyond the one previously agreed on if I met my target. I'm not comfortable staying but I would feel so guilty about leaving. We do get on well and he wants to grow the firm...my leaving would set them back.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 18 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Youre worrying too much for no reason.

Simply write a notice letter ..short letter stating you are giving your notice as from such and such a date. (Lots of examples online)

Keep it short and professional.

Ask to see the Boss in private next time you are in and just have a quick chat with him and hand him your notice (obviously only when youve got the job offer in writi g from the new place). Dont be at all negative about anything to do with your current company, just say you need a new challenge and was given an opportunity you couldnt turn down.

You never know when you will need a good reference in future so its worth leaving on good terms regardless how your job/boss/company were while employed there.

No, you are not obliged to tell them where you are going (personally I would not) and yes, you ARE obliged to work your full notice, although many places wont make you as potentially you could cause a lot of damage in the meantime.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 18 Jul 2014    Post subject: Re: Quitting a job - Advice Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
There is a chance I will be receiving an offer from another firm in the next few weeks, so I am beginning to plan my departure from my current firm.

This will be my first time ever quitting a job, I am a bit nervous, and I have some concerns that I would be very grateful to receive advice regarding.

- Should I write my boss a letter and give it to him when I quit? What should I write about?

- Am I obliged to tell my boss any details about where I am going? I would prefer not to tell him.

- Am I obliged to do anything for him after informing him that I am leaving?

- My contract says I need to give 30 days' notice of termination. In practice, is it common to serve out this entire period?

- I am employed as a Ltd company. When I leave, and become a perm employee at the other place, do I have to do anything to the company?

- Anything else that I should know about or do?

I feel very guilty leaving them actually, since they are only a very small firm. This week my boss actually offered me a pay rise beyond the one previously agreed on if I met my target. I'm not comfortable staying but I would feel so guilty about leaving. We do get on well and he wants to grow the firm...my leaving would set them back.


I am currently at the point of leaving one job and joining another so I hope I can be of some help.

With regards to the letter of resignation, All I put was that I would like to hand in my notice and will be commencing my notice period. you can put more I think put I have only ever written one so I'm not much help as to what.

I am not sure about having to tell your boss who your moving two, I don't think you have to but I'm sure someone will be along to confirm this.

You will keep working as normal until the end of your notice period, I'm take it that is what you mean by "do anything for him"

As far as I know in the vast majority of cases you will work your full notice, unless other circumstances are at play or the company would rather you leave ASAP, that doesn't sound like the case here.

I'm afraid I'm not sure with regards to the limited company.

I can't think of anything else put feel free to ask any other questions that you have.

I know how you feel with regards leaving them, my feeling have been very much the same as there is still a lot that I enjoy about my current job but the time has come to move on up. It sounds like you are in a similar position, sometime you have to do whats best for YOU as hard as that can be.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 18 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he wants you to stay he will pay to keep you.

Hand your notice letter in directly to your boss, he's obviously gonna want to talk, just explain you've had a better offer and u fancy a fresh challenge.

Work your notice, it's the decent thing to do and should get u a good reference if your boss isn't a tosser.

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PostPosted: 23:14 - 18 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only ever worked for a shower of cnuts...er I mean NHS managers, so it's always been a pleasure to hand in my notice Middle Finger Very Happy

Working your notice will not only be a contractual issue but, also the decent thing to do.

Write out your resignation including the date you wish to serve your notice from, go and see your boss and have a chat, explaining your reasons, if you wish to, seeing as you appear to have a good working relationship. You never know, he could make you a better offer. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 18 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive just gone through the same thing - last day was today.

Notice letter just summaries the dates and you are leaving. Thats all it needs to say, it certainly not a tool to air grievances.

Never ever burn your bridges no matter how much you think they are a bunch of cunts. You never know when any of your paths will cross again.

Carry on with your job for the next 30 days, be as professional as ever until the last.

If you get an exit interview, just go through the motions and explain you have enjoyed working with the company but you have found a better job - you wont right the wrongs of the company in a 20 minute chat so no point in trying.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get on with the people at your workplace well, it shouldn't be difficult.

I left my previous job last year, it was entirely finance driven (I had an offer from a company for a more senior role with a salary £12k/pa higher than my current role). My boss was very philosophical about it, he knew my wife was pregnant and that I needed to do it.

We left on a really good note, so much so that since March my boss has been back in contact and finally we have agreed terms for me to go back in a much more senior role and £5k/pa more than where I am now.

Handed in my notice at this place on Thursday, didn't feel guilty as my current boss was on a power trip, but will still keep things professional and amicable as you never know if you might need them in the future.

Working your notice is normal, unless your employer decides to put you on a gardening leave, still in limbo as to whether that is about to happen to me.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

JonB wrote:
If you get on with the people at your workplace well, it shouldn't be difficult.

I left my previous job last year, it was entirely finance driven (I had an offer from a company for a more senior role with a salary £12k/pa higher than my current role). My boss was very philosophical about it, he knew my wife was pregnant and that I needed to do it.

We left on a really good note, so much so that since March my boss has been back in contact and finally we have agreed terms for me to go back in a much more senior role and £5k/pa more than where I am now.

Handed in my notice at this place on Thursday, didn't feel guilty as my current boss was on a power trip, but will still keep things professional and amicable as you never know if you might need them in the future.

Working your notice is normal, unless your employer decides to put you on a gardening leave, still in limbo as to whether that is about to happen to me.


Makes you wonder what sort of boss would pay someone £17,000 per year less than what he thought they were worth? I mean a couple of grand yeah, but taking someone back and giving them a £17k when they have basically dumped you in the shit is pretty good going.

Personally I would have stayed where you moved to. I dont think you should ever chose to go back where youve quit from...unless you find yourself jobless and are desperate.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the outside looking in, that is an understandable viewpoint. I've always had the view with jobs that like girlfriends you should never go back to an ex.

However, the caveat being that my pay before was in line with the market for my role. My current employer head-hunted me for this role and literally made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

Financially the decision was sound, but the job satisfaction wasn't there and from a long term point of view it was a bit of a dead-end branch. My career was stagnant.

Going back, my salary is in line with the market once again, I have developed the experience through this role that means I am suitable for the new role. The role has not been created for me, an experience ex-colleague has moved onto pastures new and I offer the advantage of knowing the business well, can slot in with relevant handovers and carry on straight away. There is a mutual benefit. I knew I would end up in this role at some point in the future as this company has a track record in progression. I've just forced it to happen a couple of years earlier than anticipated.

Now I need to stay here for a minimum of 5 years and solidify my experience. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to echo what has been said.

If you are on good terms with your boss, pop in and have a word with them about it. Say you've been offered a job elsewhere which is (presumably) better than the one you're in in some way and you've decided to take it so no hard feelings and I thought I'd best let you know as soon as possible to give you plenty of time to find a replacement. Then hand over the letter.

They DO need a written letter to make the process formal but it just needs to be something as simple as "I hereby give 30 days notice that I intend to leave your employment, starting on the xxth of YYYY 2014." and sign it.

You have to work your notice if they want you to. They have to pay you for the notice period even if they don't want you to come in (some companies will put you on "gardening leave" where they pay you not to come in if they are worried you'll either cause problems or steal sensitive information). Or you can both come to a mutual agreement for a shorter leaving period.

If you are leaving on good terms, there may even be a leaving do and a gift in the offing. All the people who have moved to fresh pastures from our company have had a party and a whip round for a gift (with the exception of the person who was sacked for stealing).
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so far chaps. Thumbs Up

Still a bit concerned about this business with my Ltd company. I have an accountant but asking his advice will probably cause him to do lots of "ooh's" and "aah's" and "hmm's" before he states that whatever I do will incur a heavy accountancy fee.

I feel particularly guilty because it's a small company - three people including me, and they are trying to grow. I've even interviewed many people for a similar position to mine, it's very difficult to find the right people.

Still not got the offer in writing from the other firm, I have to meet the boss once more first. So this may all end up being nothing if I screw up.
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
Thank you so far chaps. Thumbs Up

Still a bit concerned about this business with my Ltd company. I have an accountant but asking his advice will probably cause him to do lots of "ooh's" and "aah's" and "hmm's" before he states that whatever I do will incur a heavy accountancy fee.

I feel particularly guilty because it's a small company - three people including me, and they are trying to grow. I've even interviewed many people for a similar position to mine, it's very difficult to find the right people.

Still not got the offer in writing from the other firm, I have to meet the boss once more first. So this may all end up being nothing if I screw up.


Why on earth would you need an accountant to hand your notice in? Unless you are a partner in the business I see no reason why you cant just hand your notice in and leave once youve worked it.

I think you are over thinking things.

Nobody is irreplaceable. ..as much as we think we are. You never know, they may find someone better than you and it may work out better in the long run.

I wouldnt get too compassionate about an employer...they would shit on you in a moments notice given the right circumstances (trust me ive been there) so dont let it play on your conscience too much.

Its a dog eat dog world out there.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

hachi8 wrote:
Benno wrote:
Thank you so far chaps. Thumbs Up

Still a bit concerned about this business with my Ltd company. I have an accountant but asking his advice will probably cause him to do lots of "ooh's" and "aah's" and "hmm's" before he states that whatever I do will incur a heavy accountancy fee.

I feel particularly guilty because it's a small company - three people including me, and they are trying to grow. I've even interviewed many people for a similar position to mine, it's very difficult to find the right people.

Still not got the offer in writing from the other firm, I have to meet the boss once more first. So this may all end up being nothing if I screw up.


Why on earth would you need an accountant to hand your notice in? Unless you are a partner in the business I see no reason why you cant just hand your notice in and leave once youve worked it.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
hachi8 wrote:


Why on earth would you need an accountant to hand your notice in? Unless you are a partner in the business I see no reason why you cant just hand your notice in and leave once youve worked it.
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To wind up the Ltd. company


So he owns and runs the ltd company? Surely he IS the boss then?
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

hachi8 wrote:


So he owns and runs the ltd company? Surely he IS the boss then?


No, to save money and pay less taxes (both myself and my boss) I am employed as a Ltd company. It also means that, since I am not an actual employee, I don't have the usual rights and protections and have no official annual leave, I just have to ask his permission to take days off. So far and from what my colleague tells me he is trustworthy enough for this to work, though.

So technically I am a freelance contractor I suppose.

This is one of the reasons I want to move actually.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you are your own company, you have no notice period with him, as you do NOT work for him.
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:
No, you are your own company, you have no notice period with him, as you do NOT work for him.


Except that the contract I signed stated that the "termination date" would be "upon 30 days' notice" (or something very similar to those words).
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Benno wrote:
PhilDawson8270 wrote:
No, you are your own company, you have no notice period with him, as you do NOT work for him.


Except that the contract I signed stated that the "termination date" would be "upon 30 days' notice" (or something very similar to those words).


That is between his company and your limited company.

You work for YOUR company, they are contracting out to your limited company.

You're NOT an "employee" of your "boss"
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

PhilDawson8270 wrote:


That is between his company and your limited company.

You work for YOUR company, they are contracting out to your limited company.

You're NOT an "employee" of your "boss"


Interesting, and you may be right.

However, in the contract:

The "agreement" shall "continue until terminated A) by either party giving 30 days notice in writing of termination to expire at any time; or B) pursuant to clause 13 of this agreement"


My 'company' is required to provide some kind of service (that service being supplying myself to the client) for the duraction of the notice period. At least I think that is what it means.


However, clause 13 says:

"Either the client or the supplier may terminate this Agreement immediately by notice in writing to the other if the other:

a) [breaches the agreement]
b) [breaches obligations]
c) [something about debts]
d) ceases for any reason to carry on business"

'D)' obviously being the one I am interested in. Is this saying that I can terminate it immediately and not have to work through a notice period?


So it may be contradicting itself...I'm not sure, I never learned legalese.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You take other job, then get a friend to be your employee and provide his services to the company Wink
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or you could give and work the 30 days notice, allowing him time to find a replacement and you both go on your way amicably at the end of a month. Nobody fucked over, karma intact, bridges unburned.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 19 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Or you could give and work the 30 days notice, allowing him time to find a replacement and you both go on your way amicably at the end of a month. Nobody fucked over, karma intact, bridges unburned.


Pretty much this!

Main thing though, when are you handing your notice in? The first thing i saw was that 'there is a CHANCE...'

don't cut the ties until it's in writing, I almost done that with an in-house transfer from Glasgow to Manchester, then when the contract came through I bailed out as it was piss poor!
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 24 Jul 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The letter is for admin needs.

Like others have said,

"This is a written notice blah blah resigning from my current position blah blah effective from date XYZ, signed and dated"

Then talk to boss and explain your move. As you are worried, the earlier you tell them, the better for them.
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