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PostPosted: 17:49 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Fecking Sick ISIS Video Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
There's supposedly thousands of them who believe this is the right way. Why is it up to the West to right this? The Middle East is a cesspool.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
No surprise really.....the way of Islam.
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At least they are killing them in a relatively humane way. It is not unusual in past mass killings, to use knives or clubs to save bullets. Confused Or the Muslim's favourite - beheadings.
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Neutral Jesus wept why aren't their own army doing something about them? And yeh, where is the local support?
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tungtvann wrote:
Why is it up to the West to right this?

What's your plan for "righting" it, in detail?
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
thepuma wrote:
No surprise really.....the way of Islam.


The way of war.

The reality of War is gruesome fought on any front. Religion, Territory, Resources.

Cheaper to kill them then to feed them clothe them and keep them in prisoned. The Video makes for good scare tactics for would be opponents.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Vice news is doing an expose on life inn Iraq under ISIS rule at the moment, I think it's 5 parts long (~50 minutes)

https://news.vice.com/video/the-islamic-state-part-1

Looks like a right barrel of laughs. :/
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Tungtvann wrote:
Why is it up to the West to right this?

What's your plan for "righting" it, in detail?

I'm not saying we shouldn't at all, I just wonder why not a single middle eastern country gives a fuck.

Although this was a mess created by us, so I guess it is up to us to do something.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fire wrote:
thepuma wrote:
No surprise really.....the way of Islam.

. The Video makes for good scare tactics for would be opponents.



Or does it? More likely to unite the civilised world against such actions and create more enemies.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Saw this video a couple of weeks ago, ive never seen another like it thats been shot so well. Perhaps they should show this on the news at ten?
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tungtvann wrote:
Although this was a mess created by us

We created Islamic sectarianism? That's some shouldering of the white man's burden there.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 13 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 02:06 - 14 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
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We created Islamic sectarianism? That's some shouldering of the white man's burden there.

We created the vacuum where it's been able to get to this level. Stop making me explain things which you already know!
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PostPosted: 07:25 - 14 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tungtvann wrote:
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We created Islamic sectarianism? That's some shouldering of the white man's burden there.

We created the vacuum where it's been able to get to this level.

We removed a dictatorship.

That gave the Iraqis an opportunity to build something better.

They chose not to. They chose to vote along sectarian lines, for no-compromise power grabbers who have brought petty tribal conflicts to all levels of government.

The consequences of their choices are on them, not us.

Unless your position is that instead of trusting Iraqis with democracy that we should have maintained our (well, the Septics') benign dictatorship indefinitely? An eternal protectorate?


Tungtvann wrote:
Stop making me explain things which you already know!

Sometimes things get clearer when you explain them.

I'm genuinely not sure what you're saying though.

If we hadn't engaged in George and Tony's Excellent Warventure, do you imagine that 2014 Iraq would be any different? It could have turned out as well as Libya?
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PostPosted: 07:36 - 14 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Democracy coupled with the Middle East and Islam does not work. We removed a dictator in Saddam Hussein, and the country has seen far more death and violence than it had in years.

I don't believe invading Iraq in 2003 was a good idea. No, I don't think Iraq would be a nice country whether we'd gone in or not. I'd just much rather have not lost several hundred fellow soldiers and spent billions of pounds to have the end result we do now.

We cannot 'fix' the Middle East. It doesn't want our help, it doesn't want our brand of freedom.

It sounded like you were playing devil's advocate with me or you really do believe that the west is best and knows right when it comes to Arab affairs!
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 14 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tungtvann wrote:
I don't believe invading Iraq in 2003 was a good idea. No, I don't think Iraq would be a nice country whether we'd gone in or not. I'd just much rather have not lost several hundred fellow soldiers and spent billions of pounds to have the end result we do now.

Actually, I almost fully agree with you. The whole thing was a ridiculous folly, perpetrated by an incoherent cabal cynical plutocrats and religious zealots with no overall plan for what they were trying to achieve.

Pretty much like all of our previous Imperial adventures, really.

The only point on which I differ is that we are in any way responsible for the choices that Iraqis have made when given the opportunity to do so.

tl;dr - I can separate any vague guilt-by-association for "our" screw ups from feeling any shred of responsibility for "their" savage zealotry.

This must be a bit like how Saint Tony Blair feels, now that I think about it. Thinking
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Send the Templars in. That should sort them out.
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 14 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Didn't Snowden leak papers that said the leader of ISIS was an intelligence asset for the CIA.

If he's a CIA asset then he works for the CIA so wouldn't this mean the CIA are pulling the strings of ISIS for some reason or another.

How can this statement be rated confusing?

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PostPosted: 10:08 - 14 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
The only point on which I differ is that we are in any way responsible for the choices that Iraqis have made when given the opportunity to do so.


Well... The problem there is that a massive power vacuum was created and it's being filled by those most able to seize power rather than those most able to wield it.

Responsibility must be shouldered by those who created the inevitable situation and then just washed their hands of it. Afghanistan the first time around should've been an indicator of how it would play out.

Two choices in such situations:
1. Stay out and provide aid & guidance
2. Invade, but do it properly... Take over and run the country.

Anything in between just exacerbates the problems.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 14 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
sensi5446 wrote:
Did Snowden leak papers that said the leader of ISIS was an intelligence asset for the CIA.


Would not surprise me in the least, lets give us another excuse to go back in.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 14 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
daemonoid wrote:
the inevitable situation

It wasn't inevitable though, not even with hindsight.

It could have been evited by the Iraqi people choosing to vote for moderate can't-we-all-get-along candidates rather than the posturing tribal goons that they picked instead.

Their choice, their consequences.

Anyway, it looks like we're going back in to sort things out and give them another opportunity. Surely they won't squander this one. <eye-roll.gif>
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