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PostPosted: 23:23 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Post test tips Reply with quote

I know this may have been done before but things change, anyway as I've got a larger bike and passed my bike test IO want to actually focus on my riding more.

So has anyone got any good advanced riding tips/things to read. I've got a copy of twist the wrist and roadcraft. But is there anything else that you would recommend looking at/tips Question
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

watch these vids
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=286410

dont crash
look ahead
watch for stop barriers and crisp packets
develop spidey sense
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
Only recently got round to watching these after downloading them ages ago. Although nothing majorly mind-blowing, the Superbike school/Twist of the wrist 2 ones particularly were interesting and did teach me a fair few bits and pieces and consider my riding in some ways. Beware of the TERRIBLE acting in Twist of the wrist though Laughing

Not sure if the TOTR2 film is the same as the book, haven't read the book myself.

The police roadcraft book is what the BikeSafe training the Police provide is based around - and their own training. I did a BikeSafe course a few weeks back with a couple of people off the forum and it was good fun. If you've already read that book you will probably know whats going to be taught in all fairness, but it was still a good fun and social weekend, and it was interesting seeing it put into practice behind/in front of the Police riders. They were also really decent the whole weekend - I've read before they've been patronising and condescending in how the course is delivered - our guys were the total opposite, very open and approachable. It wasn't about ''don't speed'', just about riding method and awareness. Also some basic first aid thrown in Thumbs Up Not sure if its the usual price - I seem to recall when I looked into it around Bristol a few years ago it was about 50 quid up there, but down in Dorset we only paid 25 quid for the full two day weekend which was great value.

Beyond that theres IAM and Rospa stuff for 'advanced riding' training - not sure about doing this yet as i've also heard mixed reviews about the attitudes of the groups, and its not exactly cheap.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 19 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
watch these vids
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=286410

dont crash
look ahead
watch for stop barriers and crisp packets
develop spidey sense


And very much this from 52secs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1DVk2XCmqM4#t=52
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PostPosted: 05:46 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

illuminateTHEmind wrote:
Have a quick wank before your test.

Try reading the thread title and the 1st post again.
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PostPosted: 05:58 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Post test tips Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:


Single finger braking ONLY.


Why?
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PostPosted: 07:18 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Single finger braking ONLY.


BECAUSE poster is a idiot

you use all you fingers to brake
the one finger bit is for posers who crash

post test training consider bikesafe most police forces run some
then IAM or rospa

talk to a local group find out if you like the way they work if not try another

I did 15years as an observer with LAM London IAM group most find the training a lot of fun and there a good social side
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Post test tips Reply with quote

TheSmiler wrote:
. But is there anything else that you would recommend looking at/tips Question


Neat Feet.

Neat feet, sammy, don't forget. NEAT FEET!!!
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

illuminateTHEmind wrote:
Have a quick wank before your test.


Yo illuminatethemind illuminate your mind by actually learning to read once in a while.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smiler... you have a certain, err... 'duality' to your psyce, which I can only 'advanced riding techniques' some-what compounding, taking you back to where you started. On the one hand, you over think everything, and where you lack knowledge, your imagination makes enormous leaps painting in the gaps... then you get on the bike... and 'thinking' happens on a rather different, and often quite detached level to the reflex responses of controlling a motorcycle... as long as the detachement is large enough... you have survived... 'cos your brain hasn't done anything to fuck up the bike... and your hands and legs have been getting on with the job instinctively, like walking.... then you have a wibble, and a conciouse thought interupts what your body is doing... and you trip over a crisp packet or ride into a turn-pike or what-ever!

DO NOT read or watch twist of the wrist... Code, in his philosophy for riding does have some good ideas... unfortunately dummed down for 'mericans... a lot of the reasoning behind his suggestions are lost, and repetition distortion has turned suggestions into mantra, and made it very very dangerouse.... and if you start THINKING about that sort of crap... well.... you never know when your brain will have one of those moments and instruct your body to do something not very helpful!

STOP THINKING - START RIDING

All you need do... stop having 'ideas'... cant have bad ones then...

Otherwise, its riding a motorbike; it's not piloting a super-tanker in and out of port, or performing lazer micro-surgery... there's not THAT much to it, that needs THAT much thinking about... so stop thinking! Get doing!

Normalise your riding, start trusting your reflexes and instincts and letting them do the business end of riding... remember, when you dont trust them... that's when you have fucked up. So don't give your imagination any more fuel to start interfering with your reflexes and instincts... take up crochet, or follow the stock market, learn Manderin, get some language tapes on MP3 and learn while you ride or SOMETHING to keep that over active imagination of yours occupied on ANYTHING but worrying about riding a motorbike! Reflex and instinct are doing a good enough job, for now left to get on with it!

Riding motorbikes is an intuitive process, not an intellectual one, so stop intellectualising the job... enjoy the tactile and intuitive, and let that evolve, and your riding will get better WITHOUT fretting over the Hendon Shuffle, Vanishing points, corner geometry or code-concious-counter-steer, or any other intellectual influence.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you aren't going to take further training the only way to learn is through experience. Tag along with some people who have been riding for a while, work out for yourself who is safe and follow them. Don't be tempted to ride faster than you feel comfortable - you will pick up speed with time...
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find myself agreeing with Mike. Shocked

Weird; I usually agree with everyone else.

Relax. You've proved all that you need to prove. Don't feel that you have to join some Roadcruft cult or develop an unstoppable streetfighting technique.

Enjoy what you've earned.
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avoid these:-

https://www.ems-access.co.uk/images/MIB40Barrier1.jpg

https://forums.egullet.org/uploads/monthly_05_2012/post-9387-0-81981300-1337992583.jpg
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avoid gravel.

Don't turn or lean hard on gravel.

Don't use excessive front brake on gravel.

Don't fall off on gravel.

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PostPosted: 20:07 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:

Otherwise, its riding a motorbike; it's not piloting a super-tanker in and out of port, or performing lazer micro-surgery... there's not THAT much to it, that needs THAT much thinking about... so stop thinking! Get doing!

Normalise your riding, start trusting your reflexes and instincts and letting them do the business end of riding...

Bet this was the way of the person someone I know* met earlier today.
'SMIDSY', as they say.
Except said bloke I know never got a chance to say it, because the other bloke died at the scene.
<biker-poem />

(*Worked for the same place as me.)

Practising looking ahead and reading the road, hazards and so on is a very good start - I wouldn't be worrying about twist of the wrist too much. While stuff like 'survival reactions' are certainly useful things to be able to work around, better to use road craft to not have to worry about them in the first place Smile.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fisty wrote:
[wit]


https://i.imgur.com/dAU91vml.jpg

bikertomm wrote:
[moar wit]


https://i.imgur.com/dAU91vml.jpg

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PostPosted: 22:25 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Post test tips Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Single finger braking ONLY.

Practise brakes, practise everyday until you are epic. Slow speed in the wet has low risk /high fun Laughing

Rear brake is for fun in the wet, or poor surfaces. Get used to front brake only as bike will be more stable and will allow you to steer with less sideways action.


Have you ever ridden an ER5?

If Smiler only used 1 finger he wouldn't stop. If he only uses the front brake he will eventually stop. If he uses the front and rear brake together he will stop safely.

Smiler

My biggest tip is ignore most motorcyclists as they are so full of shit it is quite unbelievable. One look on Youtube or even read through this forum will confirm this as the truth.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

my tip are :
ride, avoid man hole covers in the wet, try not to crash,
thats it, all these "tips" are bollocks
you'll figure it out, or you'll crash, or both,
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Re: Post test tips Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
kramdra wrote:
Single finger braking ONLY.

Practise brakes, practise everyday until you are epic. Slow speed in the wet has low risk /high fun Laughing

Rear brake is for fun in the wet, or poor surfaces. Get used to front brake only as bike will be more stable and will allow you to steer with less sideways action.


Have you ever ridden an ER5?

If Smiler only used 1 finger he wouldn't stop. If he only uses the front brake he will eventually stop. If he uses the front and rear brake together he will stop safely.



One of the many bikes I have never ridden and have no interest in riding.


I revise my advice - get plenty of practise on the brakes in all conditions.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 20 Aug 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting replies cheers Thumbs Up


Regarding advanced riding for examples Rospa, Iam, Bikesafe etc. I can't really go into that, well I can but it feels like it may be counter intuitive. All down to the fact I'm going have to do the tests all again next year.

Or mod1 and mod2 the year after and some of the advanced riding tips I was told not to do on my test because it can be used negatively.

MC wrote:
Felt the same after my test(s), you feel you need extra training as you've become so accustomed to a tiddler.


Yeah this is the kinda thing that people say all the time, that once you get a big bike you start leaning more. Due to the fact you are not trying to get up to speed anymore as you have the acceleration and power. Hence what this thread was kinda about.
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