Johammer J1 - And other electric powered vehicles...

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Nexus Icon · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Karma :

Why do so many e-bikes look like bad props from 70s sci-fi movies?

Ugly, IMO. There are faster, better looking and cheaper e-bikes already available.

The 2.5hr charge time is interesting but the bad outweighs the good in spades.
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thx1138 · World Chat Champion Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Karma :

is the saddle taken from a torture chamber?

thx1138 · World Chat Champion Joined: 06 Oct 2005 Karma :

my in-laws have a variet of e-bicycles, and they are weird enough, they have a front wheel drive one which I nearly crashed cornering Laughing

mentalboy · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 May 2012 Karma :

That's a fucking abortion!
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Suntan Sid · World Chat Champion Joined: 07 May 2009 Karma :

Styled on a pizza cutter, by the looks of it! Thumbs Down

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Vracktal · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Oct 2012 Karma :

Well it's slow and ugly, but at least it's expensive too.
(Retails for £20,600 based on the link above-before UK import taxes.)

By contrast, what I consider the absolute best electric bike you can buy at present, the Empulse R, retails for £15,000.

https://www.brammo.com/brammogallery_empulse/images/1.jpg

So... who in their right mind would buy the slug?
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hub rear motor.
Ideal for cheap transport. Lacking for riding performance - very much so at 11kw.

But then they're obviously aiming at the cruiser sort, so makes sense, maybe.

dydey90 · World Chat Champion Joined: 01 Oct 2013 Karma :

If the product designer was a horse, they'd have been taken round the back and shot.

In fact, come to think of it the bike does look a lot like a horse itself...
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Bunny Lingus · Traffic Copper Joined: 20 Apr 2014 Karma :

Hah! I like it...
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Jonathan A · Crazy Courier Joined: 23 Jun 2012 Karma :

complete waste of money Neutral

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CBFcarl · Nearly there... Joined: 29 Oct 2013 Karma :

Got to be honest, I like it. Would have (if it was given, for £20k I could buy a lot more bike)...

Aff · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 May 2011 Karma :

11kW and 180kg. What's the point.
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

Aff · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 May 2011 Karma :

CD is painfully slow though.

Also it cost a few hundred quid.

If I was making a bike that cost 25 grand I wouldn't even entertain giving it 125 power.

No only is it under powered and expensive but it would most likely cost more than a 125 to run.

I'm all for electric bikes, but things like this are just damaging the industry.

:edit: Also I would like to see a dyno for this. That motor must be wound very fast if its getting 75mph on 72V.
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

But look at it - why would you WANT to go fast on something like that?
And with having the powerplant in the back wheel - when this is the place anyone looking to improve handling and ride would be first looking to lower weight!

As with so many electric ~~bikes~~ concept vehicles, it's going for style over functionality.

They know they can't make it cheap, so they have to do something to make it stand out to the people with money to spend who don't care about performance - so outlandish styling makes a lot more sense than more power.
Not that I think it'll sell regardless, of course.

Andy_Pagin · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Nov 2010 Karma :

Who was it that designed those hideous faired bikes in the 1950s that looked like an upturned bathtub on wheels? That leccy monstrosity makes them look positively beautiful. Epic sanity fail on the stylist's part.
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

I can see hub motors bringing us all sorts of weird and wonderful styling exercises - while in this case they haven't really departed from what they could have done with an ICE, it does offer the opportunity to get pretty 'creative' as you basically need batteries somewhere on the vehicle and a wire going to the powered wheel(s) - you don't have to worry about placement of the engine relative to the wheels as it is the wheel, nor routing of exhausts, cooling systems or so on.
(Some electric vehicles may well use active liquid cooling systems, but they probably won't be using hub motors.)

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Rogerborg · nimbA Joined: 26 Oct 2010 Karma :

The good news is that they won't hear you either.

I'm chipping in with "sort of want". Hub mounted is fine with me, as are the whacko looks. However, given that leccy bikes are strictly limited to commuter or (brief) track roles, I'm not going to be paying more than £5K for one. Hopefully unsubsidised, but if I can get some of the money picked from my pocket back that way, I expect I can live with it.
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stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

Why are all large electric bikes which have been manufactured to-date unfaired?

Air resistance is the enemy if you are exceeding 15mph. If you want your bike to have a high top speed, long range and good acceleration you need to make it slippery through the air.

Hell. They even used to put solid aluminium fairings on 50cc race-bikes.

If you want to be radical, enclose the front wheel. A full fairing of some sort is utterly necessary for an effective, efficient electric motorcycle.
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G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

Cost and weight of a fairing could buy more batteries?

I think at least one place has done a sports bike version.

If it wasn't for the safety aspect, a recumbent style would seem to make the most sense for efficiency - as you see for the eco-solar-battery-challenge-thingy vehicles.

But electric vehicles at these prices really isn't about anything but being different, I'd say. It's not cheap to use because of depreciation costs and the relative savings in the electricity bill will be minor.

Hokum · Spanner Monkey Joined: 26 Apr 2012 Karma :

It looks like they are riding a sci fi slug...
https://www.paranormaldatabase.com/cornwall/images/MythCreatures_Pixies.jpg
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