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Stobo91
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Can i use this No entry lane? Reply with quote

Hi all,

No entry road on my commute home from work and would save alot of effort filtering through traffic if i could just cut through.

The no entry sign says except buses, taxi's and cycles.

Does this just mean push bikes or motorbikes too?

Looked at online highway code but nothing jumped out and hit me round the chops so thought id ask you Smile


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PostPosted: 12:33 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not legally. Doesn't mean you can't - just don't get caught... Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only if you wheelie down the entire stretch of road... Laughing

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PostPosted: 12:42 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or get off and push? Cool
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:52 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Balls,

Its literally right outside our towns cop shop so maybe not such a good idea!

I actually thought it was a stupid question and that motorcycles could use it so im glad i asked now.

So when it says cycles that means push cycles and not motorcycles?

Couldn't find anything in the highway code either so pretty unclear if you ask me!

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/312234/the-highway-code-traffic-signs.pdf

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PostPosted: 13:09 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stobo91 wrote:
So when it says cycles that means push cycles and not motorcycles?


I think we've moved on slightly since the time of push cycles, they tend to have pedals these days.

It depends on the route, but I might be inclined to be cheeky and go for it once in a while, purely on the notion that my tax disk says my motorbike is a bicycle. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cannot use. Signs are valid rather than just made up.
See this government pdf on traffic signs, page 34.

However, how far do you need to go. Cannot you use what appears to be an access/service road on the left that isn't restricted to get around the restricted bit of road?
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just get off and push it.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
However, how far do you need to go. Cannot you use what appears to be an access/service road on the left that isn't restricted to get around the restricted bit of road?


I'd be concerned about whether the near side 'no entry' sign could be argued to have covered the use of this service road. I can't find anything that states there has to be two 'no entry' signs on an entrance. If you can find something that states two are required (and be willing to argue it) then go for it along that little road...

Otherwise get off and push, I've done this loads when roads have been shut around here for the tram works, saved me a ton of time and the workers always found it amusing Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found it!

Quote:
(3) Subject to paragraphs (4), (5) and (6) and to direction 9 , a sign to which this direction applies shall be placed on the relevant road at or as near as practicable to the point referred to in paragraph (2)

(a)where the relevant road has only one carriageway, on each side of that carriageway; or
(b)where the relevant road has more than one carriageway, on each side of each carriageway in relation to which the restriction, requirement, prohibition or speed limit begins.


From https://m.tsrgd.co.uk/sign.html?id=616

Fill yer boots with that service road Smile
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently in the process of fighting a similar situation.
If you can avoid it don't go down there. Im fighting 3 points and a fine for being told to go down a road just the same on a lesson just before my test.

Edit: with the exception you have proper no entry sign's mine were blue and just gave times of the temp bus lane
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

matto wrote:
map wrote:
However, how far do you need to go. Cannot you use what appears to be an access/service road on the left that isn't restricted to get around the restricted bit of road?
I'd be concerned about whether the near side 'no entry' sign could be argued to have covered the use of this service road. I can't find anything that states there has to be two 'no entry' signs on an entrance. If you can find something that states two are required (and be willing to argue it) then go for it along that little road...

It's all a bit confusing but I'd try the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002
TSRGD 2002, Schedule 19 wrote:
...The placing of certain signs to indicate the beginning of a restriction, requirement, prohibition or speed limit...
(3) Subject to paragraphs (4), (5) and (6) and to direction 9, a sign to which this direction applies shall be placed on the relevant road at or as near as practicable to the point referred to in paragraph (2)—

(a)where the relevant road has only one carriageway, on each side of that carriageway...


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PostPosted: 14:33 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies guys.

Seems best just to avoid it then seeing as its literally right outside the police station aswell.

Green = current route.
Pink = no entry route
Red = stationary traffic
Star = Plod
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sign lists what can go down there, anything else in the shit. Not difficult really. Rolling Eyes Is it worth the risk of a fine for using it or worse points and a fine for ignoring a not entry sign?
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattyfattyboomboom wrote:
The sign lists what can go down there, anything else in the shit. Not difficult really. Rolling Eyes Is it worth the risk of a fine for using it or worse points and a fine for ignoring a not entry sign?


Thanks, i kind of assumed that.

What i wasn't sure was whether a motorCYCLE was classed a CYCLE when it comes to these exceptions.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the map why dont you go down Packers Row and then on to South Street?
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crazy-Duck wrote:
Looking at the map why dont you go down Packers Row and then on to South Street?


These are cobbled roads directly through the town centre/high streets where there are plenty more restrictions etc. Also 3 out of 5 days a week there is a market which makes these roads busier than the main roads.

Edit - and its no entry, shock horror!

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PostPosted: 14:55 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough.
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you see "No Entry except buses, taxis and cycles" it means bicycles only. No motorised bicycles, as in motorbikes. I know your V5 says bicycle, but still, thems is the rules.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 29 Sep 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

No you cannot.

However you can use the left side service road the way red car has just done.

According to the law The signs should be sited on the left hand side. There is no sign for the service lane so you can go there fine.

They have put two signs on wrong sides there. This configuration lets you enter service lane IMO.

Frankly I do not know do they have done it on purpose but UK Highway Code is a very badly written document with a lot of unclear definitions compared to say French or German traffic laws. hence I cannot find this rule stated in Highway Code, there is something here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/223943/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf

However UK has ratified Vienna convention for road markings and there you see clearly the law says the sign should be placed on the same side of the road as the direction of traffic, in UK we have left-hand traffic and all signs should be on the left hand side, signs that are to the right of your direction of travel are for different lanes:

https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/conventn/Conv_road_signs_2006v_EN.pdf
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