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PostPosted: 01:20 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Am I daft for liking the BMW F800R? Reply with quote
I like it. Never ridden one but I like the specs the look and the price. BMW reliability, enough poke and practical. Am I nuts as it dous'nt seem very popular.
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I'm surprised myself why this bike is not more popular.
Naked bikes are popular. So is BMW. Can't understand this.

I was considering buying one but decided to get honda nc700s.
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PostPosted: 07:57 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: Am I daft for liking the BMW F800R? Reply with quote
Boozehawk wrote:
I like it. Never ridden one but I like the specs the look and the price. BMW reliability, enough poke and practical. Am I nuts as it dous'nt seem very popular.


I looked at getting one actually went and looked, sat on etc...

But it's a BMW .. and that's what put me off.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
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as someone who worked on them STAY IN WARRANTY it will go wrong and it will cost £££££ if not covered

ON bench today R1150GS rear drivev very noisy silver paint when draining this is going to cost the owner !

Anything post 1996 is poor post 2007 mostly made in China !
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
but but... it's got a chain drive, *shudder*
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: Am I daft for liking the BMW F800R? Reply with quote
Boozehawk wrote:
I like it. Never ridden one but I like the specs the look and the price. BMW reliability, enough poke and practical. Am I nuts as it dous'nt seem very popular.


I like it too. I have tried one and this bike is miles better then all popular XJ6s and ER6s.

The point is most people buy bikes nowadays as fashion item not based on practicality. Hence BMW is selling more 1200 adventure bikes that will never go off road on any adventure.

Otherwise I think this is perfect bike.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
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As someone who worked on them STAY IN WARRANTY it will go wrong and it will cost £££££ if not covered

ON bench today R1150GS rear drivev very noisy silver paint when draining this is going to cost the owner !

Anything post 1996 is poor post 2007 mostly made in China !


Thats a shame. Maybe explains why there seem to be a lot of low mileage ones around. What would be a good buy in the equivelent of the f800, s then?
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Boozehawk wrote:
davebike wrote:
As someone who worked on them STAY IN WARRANTY it will go wrong and it will cost £££££ if not covered

ON bench today R1150GS rear drivev very noisy silver paint when draining this is going to cost the owner !

Anything post 1996 is poor post 2007 mostly made in China !


Thats a shame. Maybe explains why there seem to be a lot of low mileage ones around. What would be a good buy in the equivelent of the f800, s then?


I think all naked bikes seems to have some advantages over f800.

Street triple and hornet cost about the same and have much more power. XJ6, NC700S, CB500F, and many more are just less expensive and probably more reliable.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: Am I daft for liking the BMW F800R? Reply with quote
Boozehawk wrote:
I like it. Never ridden one but I like the specs the look and the price. BMW reliability, enough poke and practical. Am I nuts as it dous'nt seem very popular.


Since when were BMWs esp the 800cc engine reliable?
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
the BMW 800 engine's are well known for massive failure at low mileage especially the f800s, big end failures and massive piston slap at under 20,000 is the norm!
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
I thought Rotax made the 800cc engines.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
My bike is a BMW F650 CS - 12 years old. 650 single, belt drive, no ABS (I think that is likely a bonus) and a mere 10,500 miles. Was on SORN for a few years by previous owner. Very reliable. Had the usual problem of flaking paint on the engine but I sorted that.

HOWEVER, because it had been standing, unmoved, using the side stand only for some years while on SORN there was pressure point on the rear wheel bearing and at 5K mikes the bearing failed. Motorrad took the repair job (I am ancient and lack the wrist strength to do serious repairs).

Motorrad had some techy problems including sourcing parts and loaned me a BMW F800R for near FIVE WEEKS while they did the job. Nice to ride, very similar upright riding position to the 650CS, lot faster than the 650CS -- bit too fast for me, but lacked the bottom end/ low revs "grunt" of the 650 single. I stalled the 800R a few times in low speed cornering simply because I did not give it enough welly.

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the 650 is sneered at a bit by those who dont know but is actually not a bad machine, had one in the trade a while back with 187000 on the clock and it ran and rode just fine, all the paint had fallen off but otherwise it was good
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
I got a 650 and got nothing bad to say about it so far. Handles well, got the speed to overtake when you need to and great to use on the country gravel roads where i live. Haven't had the problems that come with the bike also, perhaps they were sorted beforehand. The only thing i do dread is if something goes horribly wrong, you have to pay the Motorrad hideous price of getting it fixed but if your savvy with bikes, i can't see you having a problem working on it.

The f800, looking at some pics, resembles a 650 somewhat and i was going to get one but the fuel economy of the 650 won it for me and the supposed problems that come with an 800 sort of put me off.

Could have got a fireblade, but the roads are just not good enough here to open up lol.

Why not test ride the two and see how nuts you are then?
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 02 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mudshark wrote:
but but... it's got a chain drive, *shudder*
Chain drive must be a bonus point as BMW have proven their inability to make a decent shaft drive.
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barrkel wrote:
I thought Rotax made the 800cc engines.

They do , the rest of the bike is built in India. The F series single cylinder bikes also had a Rotax engine with the rest of the bike being built by Aprillia in Italy, BMW added the tank badge. The smaller twin cylinder model called the G650 GS is not actually any smaller being 798 cc with a slight detune from the 800 cc version if that makes any sense.
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They do , the rest of the bike is built in India. The F series single cylinder bikes also had a Rotax engine with the rest of the bike being built by Aprillia in Italy, BMW added the tank badge. The smaller twin cylinder model called the G650 GS is not actually any smaller being 798 cc with a slight detune from the 800 cc version if that makes any sense.


Does not make any sense to me. Given he fact I just have watched BMW Motorrad tv article actually showing how they build motorcycles in Berlin, Germany.

Wonder what sources you have used to say they are build in India or Italy?

Also BMW have a factory tours if you do not beleive me you can go see for yourself:

https://www.bmw-besuchen.com/en/berlin/index-berlin.html

Overall area 220,000 m2
Workforce approx. 1,900
Apprentices 72
Product Range Series R / K / F / G / S / C
Daily production up to 600 units

You may say whatever you like for reliablility, but I'd rather prefer German machinery and BMW badge Smile

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the BMW 800 engine's are well known for massive failure at low mileage especially the f800s, big end failures and massive piston slap at under 20,000 is the norm!


And sources for this are? You do not expect us to beleive you just because you have read messages on some forum from 3 unhappy BMW customers do you?

Itchy wrote:
Since when were BMWs esp the 800cc engine reliable?


Since when it is not?
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PostPosted: 00:19 - 04 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
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moonzoomer wrote:
They do , the rest of the bike is built in India. The F series single cylinder bikes also had a Rotax engine with the rest of the bike being built by Aprillia in Italy, BMW added the tank badge. The smaller twin cylinder model called the G650 GS is not actually any smaller being 798 cc with a slight detune from the 800 cc version if that makes any sense.


Does not make any sense to me. Given he fact I just have watched BMW Motorrad tv article actually showing how they build motorcycles in Berlin, Germany.

Wonder what sources you have used to say they are build in India or Italy?

1993–2001: F650 Funduro and Strada

The BMW F650 Funduro and F650ST Strada were introduced to Europe in 1993 and to the United States in 1997.[2] The bikes were jointly designed by BMW and Aprilia, who launched their model as the Pegaso.[3] The BMW bikes, which were built in Italy by Aprilia, were powered by an Austrian 652 cc single-cylinder Rotax engine.[2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_F_series_single-cylinder

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Munich / Chennai, India. As part of its strategic reorientation, BMW Motorrad will be entering the segment below 500 cubic centimetres. BMW Motorrad and the TVS Motor Company have signed a long-term cooperation agreement for this purpose. This was announced at a press conference today in Chennai, India.
https://www.onewheeldrive.net/2013/04/08/analysis-bmw-motorrad-signs-cooperation-agreement-with-indias-tvs-motor-company-staging-entry-into-under-500cc-motorcycle-segment/
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moonzoomer wrote:

1993–2001: F650 Funduro and Strada

The BMW F650 Funduro and F650ST Strada were introduced to Europe in 1993 and to the United States in 1997.[2] The bikes were jointly designed by BMW and Aprilia, who launched their model as the Pegaso.[3] The BMW bikes, which were built in Italy by Aprilia, were powered by an Austrian 652 cc single-cylinder Rotax engine.[2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_F_series_single-cylinder

BMW Press Release Follows:
Munich / Chennai, India. As part of its strategic reorientation, BMW Motorrad will be entering the segment below 500 cubic centimetres. BMW Motorrad and the TVS Motor Company have signed a long-term cooperation agreement for this purpose. This was announced at a press conference today in Chennai, India.
https://www.onewheeldrive.net/2013/04/08/analysis-bmw-motorrad-signs-cooperation-agreement-with-indias-tvs-motor-company-staging-entry-into-under-500cc-motorcycle-segment/


Exactly all the sources you have cited does not have anything to do with the modern F800 bikes for which the OP has asked?

First one is for the ancient 650 single and the second one is for some small 500cc bike that BMW may or may not do in the future.

Still cannot understand how you draw your conclusions about BMW F800 bikes?
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 04 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val wrote:

Still cannot understand how you draw your conclusions about BMW F800 bikes?



On ADV and HUBB is it panned as having far too many issues, as such it's NOT a candidate for a RTW trip. The 1150GS, the F650, the G650X are all proven machines. CBRs CB500s R1s, Fireblades etc have all made it round the world.

On my own 2009 trip other teams used the 800cc, precisely ONE of them made it to Mongolia out of 9. It did not make it out of Mongolia.

I also met various other bike teams who said they'd lost their 800cc riders and several others who were stuck waiting for parts.

By far the most damning is Ted's travel to South Africa with a riding buddy who took a brand new 800 in 2011. To get to the south of Spain for the ferry to Africa it took TWO engine rebuilds.

The bike then got to Morocco and the bike ate the clutch. He dumped the 800 and took a Super tenere which didn't miss a beat until Mozambique where engine cut out went funny. Ted's own DRZ400 didn't miss a beat.


The reputation is similar to the KTM640 adventure bike. KTM ruined their reputation for a while by using a cheap bearing which probably saved them 50p per bike on the main output shaft and in the gear box. It caused KTM640s to die every 20K. The 640 ticked every box, it was light, fast powerful great suspension and brakes.
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1993–2001: F650 Funduro and Strada



Exactly all the sources you have cited does not have anything to do with the modern F800 bikes for which the OP has asked?

First one is for the ancient 650 single and the second one is for some small 500cc bike that BMW may or may not do in the future.

Still cannot understand how you draw your conclusions about BMW F800 bikes?
If you go back to my original post I stated the F 650 single cylinder bike was built in Italy by Aprillia not the 800cc twins.
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am I reading this right that they took FIVE weeks to replace a wheel bearing?

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pressure point on the rear wheel bearing and at 5K mikes the bearing failed. Motorrad took the repair job (I am ancient and lack the wrist strength to do serious repairs).

Motorrad had some techy problems including sourcing parts and loaned me a BMW F800R for near FIVE WEEKS while they did the job
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I seem to say the same thing regarding BMW every time it comes around. Once upon a time (prior mid 90's) the world was a nicer place for BMW. Since then for whatever and wherever reasons, cars AND bikes are SHITE compared to the competition.

My heart would love to go for a BMW, head after 20 years of listening to owners knows better.

Stay clear, get something that works.
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Richy CB1000 wrote:
I seem to say the same thing regarding BMW every time it comes around. Once upon a time (prior mid 90's) the world was a nicer place for BMW. Since then for whatever and wherever reasons, cars AND bikes are SHITE compared to the competition.


This is funny because BMWs in my country last literally forever. We have proper 4 seasons there with -20 winter. And if you are trying to say that japs bangers, french jokes, italian rusty baskets or english rovers last more then BMW I have to say you live in some imaginery world.

In real world nothing can beat German machinery like BMW and Mercedes contrary to what Skoda or Toyota may say to you Laughing

Granted BMW have some issues with some motorcycle models. There are pleanty of Honda and Yamaha models with crappy quality too. Do not let me started about the Italians.

I dare you to show me any country where oficial escort cars and motorcyrcles are Toyota Primus with CG125 Evil or Very Mad

https://www.procave.ru/assets/images/News/primus02082011.jpg

Most likely will be Merc 600S with BMWs...I rest my case
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