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Val
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PostPosted: 02:41 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Think Biker - the art of spending tax payers money? Reply with quote
Hello,

I really need to vent my anger here. Just have watched 3 series of Roadcraft made by Think Biker. Bare in mind Think Biker is government funded and I was kind of expecting more for my money. Like video that actually can teach you something?

They say the aim of the videos is to make you aware of Roadcraft. From the whole 3 series so far my conclusion for the Roadcarft is the art of what exactly? Making trailers with smiling bikers? I really want my taxpayers' money they have spent on this more or less useless campaign back Brick Wall Brick Wall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRwuankoCQ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJyX7X3iLY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geh-IseipVU
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Ste
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PostPosted: 02:50 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: Think Biker - the art of spending tax payers money? Reply with quote
Val wrote:
From the whole 3 series so far my conclusion for the Roadcarft is the art of what exactly?

In the description for each of youtube video there's a link to a page which tells you all about the rider training they're encouraging.

At the end of each video it also tells you how to go about finding more information.

Hope this helps. Wink
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
It appears to be a rather bizarrely timed marketing campaign for IAM and RoSPA; I assume they've funded it at least in part.

Why they'd release it at the point where they stop doing observed rides (because it's too dark to see them) is baffling though.

I do Think! that their role is rather badly defined. Are they just about awarenessness, or are they actually delivering training and information? I don't know, and I suspect that neither do they. Probably depends on their budget and whichever Common Purpose appointee they've got running them this week.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Willing to bet that as far as the DFT are concerned it's just so that they are seen to be doing something to help motorcyclists with the added bonus of possibility making MAG/BMF people go away and spend some time complaining at other departments.

Releasing it at this time of year? They realised they haven't done enough earlier in the year to meet their target for however much money it is per year they're meant to spend helping save motorcyclists from themselves.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:


Releasing it at this time of year? They realised they haven't done enough earlier in the year to meet their target for however much money it is per year they're meant to spend helping save motorcyclists from themselves.


I wish this wasn't true, but having worked with government bodies before, I know it is
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah they are great at getting the budget without being innovative.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Probably depends on their budget and whichever Common Purpose appointee they've got running them this week.


Ooh. Now you've got me interested. Sauce?
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kris wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Probably depends on their budget and whichever Common Purpose appointee they've got running them this week.

Ooh. Now you've got me interested. Sauce?

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Val
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:

https://diablo.incgamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/index.jpg


I would not trust that cat

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PostPosted: 11:38 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: Think Biker - the art of spending tax payers money? Reply with quote
Val wrote:
...watched 3 series of Roadcraft made by Think Biker....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRwuankoCQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npJyX7X3iLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geh-IseipVU
Rogerborg wrote:
It appears to be a rather bizarrely timed marketing campaign for IAM and RoSPA...

I'm confused if IAM and/or RoSPA as if observed ride there's a distinct lack of hi-viz (at least in video #3 I saw). From my local IAM motorbike group
York Advanced Motorcyclists (IAM) wrote:
...in keeping with our objective to promote road safety, it is now a requirement that all Associate members undergoing training will be required whilst on an observed ride, to wear as a minimum a Hi Viz waistcoat...

Plus, and I realise this is one of my gripes, where's the 2 second gap 'tween bikes and why ride line astern not chevron? Answers on a postcard please Wink

Val wrote:
I would not trust that cat
Sage advice. I'm always cautious when stroking pussy.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: Think Biker - the art of spending tax payers money? Reply with quote
It's marketing, it doesn't have to reflect reality. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Laughing That'll teach me for thinking that IAM / RoSPA had anything even remotely interesting about them...



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PostPosted: 14:41 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 06 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kris wrote:
Laughing That'll teach me for thinking that IAM / RoSPA had anything even remotely interesting about them...

https://www.cpexposed.com/about-common-purpose

I was unclear, I meant that Think! will be helmed by some also-ran Common Purpose lizard-people cabalist.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 07 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:

Why they'd release it at the point where they stop doing observed rides (because it's too dark to see them) is baffling though.


The riders in my local groups have got headlights on their bikes for these kinds of situations Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 07 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
civvy wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:

Why they'd release it at the point where they stop doing observed rides (because it's too dark to see them) is baffling though.

The riders in my local groups have got headlights on their bikes for these kinds of situations Mr. Green

Glasgow Southside Massive don't like to turn theirs on, it wastes electricity. Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 07 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
civvy wrote:
The riders in my local groups have got headlights on their bikes for these kinds of situations Mr. Green
Glasgow Southside Massive don't like to turn theirs on, it wastes electricity. Tut Tut

I thought the reason was light pollution.
Are they allowed to take their bikes out in the acid rain or will the paintwork suffer? (not to mention all that cleaning).
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 07 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote
map wrote:
Are they allowed to take their bikes out in the acid rain or will the paintwork suffer? (not to mention all that cleaning).

Oi, one or two of them don't have BMWs. Folded arms
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