Right slow speed u-turn

[thekeeper199]

Hi, i have a riding question
When i do a left lowspeed u turn i manage to make a tiny turn
And i am comfortable with it. Using counterweight and look left.

When it comes to a right one i manage to do it but not as good
As left and really uncomfortably.
I feel when countering the weight left that my left arm cant
Reach the clutch and i bend forward making me much hard time facing right . Also like i cant fully turn the bar right i get "stuck" mentaly.. Any idea what is the problem?

[CaNsA]

Relax your arms, lose the death grip, look where you want to go, keep the revs high, use the clutch to feed enough power to keep you moving.

oh and practice
and MTFU.

[yen_powell]

Can you adjust your handlebars and the clutch lever to make it easier?
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[thekeeper199]

levers are unadjustable .. And the friction point is pretty close
I do have a hard grip. Cant stop it ..

[CaNsA]

It's called "death grip" for a reson.

[Taught2BCauti...]

Try bending forward when turning to the left, so you are in the same position as when you turn to the right. Should feel the same way either direction when you get used to it.

'U' turns are fine for the test, but in normal riding circumstances, I would never do them.

On the rare occasions I have found myself going in the wrong direction, I would pull in safely on the left, and scoot backwards into a driveway, then pull out for a right-turn - only because I feel safer doing this.

I would rather turn right - right - left than do a 'U' turn.
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[andyscooter]

not sure why anyone would make a left u turn in this country


surely you would end up on the path or someones front garden
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[deadwolf]

Grip the tank with your knees, as hard as you f&cking want and as much as it takes to make your hands relax. Should help reduce the 'death grip'. Keeping your weight on the footpegs might aid in feeling more planted.

Don't look down but turn your head right to where you want to be. Keep your head level but lean the rest of your body with the bike (this helps your internal gyroscope thingy stay balanced and upright). Trust the bike.

Adjusting the clutch lever doesn't mean the actual lever itself, it means fiddling with the adjusters at the bit where the clutch cable enters the lever housing. This can be done to move the friction point outwards, so that the bike doesn't surge forward the moment the clutch lever is even a tiny bit released. You'll want to give yourself more freeplay (turn the adjuster and watch the clutch lever move further outwards from the handlebar) so that the clutch has greater modulating effect on the bike's power output.
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[Val]

Go to a parking lot and try doing the circle of trust IMO this is the best excersice for any slow ride inlcuding U-turns.

After one day I am sure you will start doing U-turn motogymkhana style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m9B77j9qpY

The circle can be imaginery too I use a lampost on empty parking lot for the center mark.
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'Little bit of power and control your speed with the back brake'.
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[Knacker]

Practise the manoeuvre slowly, drag the back brake and make sure you look where you want to go not where you are going
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[DiggerHD]

Helpful.


still practicing this

[Northern Monkey]

I've been shown 2 ways to do this, the first as described above, using higher revs, and feeding the clutch in,

The second method, was to accelerate forwards to around 5mph, then with the clutch completely released, and the engine at tickover, look to the right and turn.

IMHO, this method is much easier (and was the one I used for my Mod 1 on a bigger bike).
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[Ame]

Great replies!
its weird that we seem to prefer one way over the other [mine is the left,and for some reason,right just felt very odd and unnatural]but,as you get into it,and your confidence grows,they feel identical.
i was having the same problem,and thats true about the 'DeathGRIP',it really is more natural and fluid once you relax and keep looking where you want to go,the bike will look after you

[talkToTheHat]

Marauder125cc and other barge riders, to do a u turn tight enought to pass mod 1, start a few feet out from the kerb as if you had pulled up casually, turn towards the kerb and then over to the right, the idea is to be on full lock as the bike gets closest to the kerb. If you start turning well over to the left, you lose some turning space as you tip in these slow turning bikes with large turning circles.
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[Ame]

[quote="Ame"]Great replies!
its weird that we seem to prefer one way over the other [mine is the left,and for some reason,right just felt very odd and unnatural]but,as you get into it,and your confidence grows,they feel identical.
i was having the same problem,and thats true about the 'DeathGRIP',it really is more natural and fluid once you relax and keep looking where you want to go,the bike will look after you [/quote]

Good evening BCF'ers

I have to update this,I'm still having probs with the figure of '8'...
Left and right circles I've got full control mostly,so why am I flappin' over the 'right turn' part of this maneuver???
why does it feel odd?
Not too large an area I'm practicing in,but definitely possible,imo,
so I spent a few hours today just circling right...No prob,but is the direction that seems 'not natural' to me,and as this is the test 'Uturn' direction,I need to do this 100%,even if I never do a Ut in 'real life',I still need to do this confidently,at a moments notice.
Why?
For no other reason than to know that I have COMPLETE control of my bike,ALL of the time,not SOME control,MOST of the time.
I've found that:
Death Grip is a waste of energy and looking to where you want to go [a step ahead ] heads up and a little faster is good advice and that the power 'on' out of the turn is when the bike stands up again and is effortless from a 'physical' point of view, so it seems irrational to even think that it is a prob on this seemingly straight forward maneuver!
So:
I think I could def do this with more space to play with. Maybe the angle in the space I am using is too fine,I mean the turning radius is too tight.
I know,keep practicing again,again [we're all practicing ,every time we ride out,learning or improving,aren't we?] and I will as much as possible,for however long it takes,on my 07' XR, that really is all I'd heard and read about..After an overnite charge,she now starts from cold 1st or 2nd time full choke,and once warm,choke off,1st time,and it will be interesting once winter proper sets in..But what a machine not just for learners,but for ease and economy,and the 'sit up' riding position is ideal for anyone who tends to get bouts of sciatica in the back [me!] or shoulders,and I can plant both feet firmly on the deck...The 250 in comparison, I'm on tip toes,and just couldn't get enough leverage to kick her over!the good lad who was selling it could plant both feet with ease and made it look so easy,but he told me not to worry,'there is a bike out there built just for you' and the 125 is just such a machine that doesnt attract unwanted attention due to exhaust noise [LOUD bikes are cool!] when you are practicing in built up area as i am doing,it doesn't piss people off,and i'm not 16 anymore [unfortunately!] and riding this at 59 doesnt seem odd whatsoever!
Looks like I strayed off topic [she's the BLUE version, btw] but couldnt help it
I've not incorporated the rear brake into this '8' move,as I,ve been told it's purely down to clutch control,but BCF'ers and many tutorials do make mention of this technique ,so am I right in thinking that you are 'locking' [slight rear braking] your speed in order to retain a uniform balance throughout the 8? Is this the missing link I'm looking for or are they simply two different techniques to achieve the same thing?
Doesn't hurt the breaks then?
I look forward to any opinions on this subject,and especially from riders who have found this does or has applied to them as well,somewhere in their early careers ?

[Ribenapigeon]

[Ame]

Thanks Val + Bhawk

Will do I'lljust keep practicing !

[UncleFester]

For me .... it was leaning forwards / gripping the tank with knees / being bit further forward on the seat ( bigger bike and wider bars ) that fixed the issue. I could always do them on the little 125 and this was what fixed it on on the bigger bike.

Difficult to control the clutch with your left hand if your arms are already stretched.
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