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PostPosted: 09:58 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Internet vigilante Reply with quote

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/paedophile-hunter-overwhelming-support-channel-4s-documentary-shows-124007606.html#dP39qv3


Hmm if only we had something for bike thieves, £20K to buy a Panigale a ghilie suit and a sniper rifle Thinking
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's nothing to be admired about Stinson Hunter.

He is not acting from any moral, principled or activist perspective. There are many wrongs in our society and the way it is policed, but Stinson and his activities are not the answer.

He is a deeply troubled and unpleasant man, with a very dark and disreputable past. A man trying to suppress and conquer his own demons while at the same time satisfying his own violent and bullying urges.

Vile prick.

Saddest of all is the populist support he appears to create which who only encourages him. If people knew more about him, they'd want him locked up too.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

So... I know of him, and I think what he is doing is of benefit, but I haven't heard of his history. Whats gone on?
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBFcarl wrote:
So... I know of him, and I think what he is doing is of benefit, but I haven't heard of his history. Whats gone on?


Convicted arsonist. Sentenced to 10 years. Also done time for assault. He refers himself to other "dark" things he's done but won't elaborate. In other words another no mark chav.

Tactics include posing as an 18+ woman! up to and including a meet with his target. As the target waits for the "girl", Hunter sends a last text from "her" admitting she is 15. Target generally legs it at this point.

Target is then chased and filmed, fleeing Hunter and his bullies. Youtube and Facebook views galore. If he was serious he'd quietly pass his evidence to the police. He's put partners, families, children of targets at risk by publishing information about his targets.

This isn't even vigilantism, it's bullying and entrapment. Dick swinging.

Even if he truly believes or has some sort of proof his target has committed an offence, it won't be of the quality to secure a conviction.

Innocent till proven guilty? Not with Stinson Hunter. Utter bell end.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked

I'm guessing that I am like 99% of his audience on FB and twitter, in that we see the headline (50 year old teacher caught!!!!1!) and reflects as a job well done. Didn't know about the other stuff that was going on. Where is Roger Cook when you need him?
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's dangerous when people set themselves up as judge and jury and dispense punishment on nothing more than their own opinions - and public humiliation is punishment.

Especially for such an emotive topic as child abuse, it's demonstrably easy for crowds to get whipped up and attack someone. Check out the case of the beaten up paediatrician.

We have written laws, due process, courts, juries and prisons for good reasons. One man taking over the whole process is madness.

And yes, this is an argument against Batman too.

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PostPosted: 15:37 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At least the Yanks have a bit more class.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much what Tracey's said; I have absolutely no respect or admiration for what this guy is doing, quite the opposite.

There's ways and systems in place to to deal with these things; yes of course they fail at times, but these sort of tactics are not at all responsible or done with the right intentions - and thats if we assume hes even going after the right people which is extremely dodgy-ground from the looks of much of his 'work'.

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as he lured paedophiles off chat rooms and into his home
I presume he has some sort of prior background or knowledge about paedophilia and how to deal with it to be in a position to enter into such activity Rolling Eyes otherwise he could be potentially be taking part in something that leads someone on to commit an offence they might of otherwise avoided. By spurring people on in such conversations online and leading them upto the stage of meeting with the 'young person' it crosses a very dangerous line for people like this. Not to mention as is also pointed out one of the people he alleged was a paedophile commited suicide shortly after he leaked the information. If he really wants to do something with his 'evidence'; give the information to the police for it to be looked at professionally, posting it in a public-forum is ridiculously irresponsible.

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Stinson's Kickstarter page, where he accepts donations towards his paedophile-hunting activities, reached over £15,000 following last night's broadcast.
Quite the money-maker Rolling Eyes would love to see the spending-breakdown of how that money gets invested into his little operation Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people will say what he's doing it a good thing and other's will be against it.

What I'd hope that both sides would agree on is that the police should be doing more to hunt down people who're trying to find kids for sexy times. He's shown just how easy it is to find those people which asks the question of why aren't the police making such efforts to shoot fish in a barrel catch those people.

[Helen Lovejoy] Won't somebody think of the children??[/] (see what I did there? Razz)
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
What I'd hope that both sides would agree on is that the police should be doing more to hunt down people who're trying to find kids for sexy times.
Definately more can and should be done; although there is a lot done already even though many people seem to be under the impression child-protection agencies and police have been sat around twiddling their thumbs on mass everytime someone commits a crime. Quite recently to highlight one operation.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28326128

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He's shown just how easy it is to find those people which asks the question of why aren't the police making such efforts
Wouldn't entirely agree there, hes shown how easy it is to lure some people into situations [often seemingly with differing and variable information regarding the age of the 'young person' they think they are speaking with]. There are police units thats focus specifically on this sort of entrapment-esque style of finding people grooming in chatrooms and forums, although the results are usually much greater focused on other aspects such as paedophilia networks; the problem there of course is much of it has moved onto Tor and similar especially in recent years which is making it ever-harder to track effectively.

But yes; more could definately be done, theres probably no limit to what can be done in that respect realistically; but as with everything governments budgets only stretch so far unfortunately. That goes the same for the people already on the radar - police, parole and treatment budgets for them is also vastly less than what it should be.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:


[Helen Lovejoy] Won't somebody think of the children??[/] (see what I did there? Razz)


I think of the children.

I'm always paranoid they will escape if I forget to lock the basement door one day.
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

He got 15k for being a total ( i know it's already been said ) bell end.


I suppose we have to expect it because the people that "donated" are also the same bandwagon jumping mob mentality tits that do things because tv told them to, ie. "ice bucket challenge, no makeup selfie, stop smoking / drinking for october" etc etc.. Rolling Eyes


I'll be surprised if he pisses off the wrong paedophile ( Laughing )
who then decides to sit outside his house, hack his wifi and download a shit ton of cp.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

15k hmmm I wonder if the taxman knows about this?

hes like guys in prison who beat up guys on sex offence charges. Its all just about finding a convenient victim to get his rocks off on but being able to walk away feeling like hes a good guy when the truth is quite the opposite. I dont think these vigilanti types give a fuck about real victims at all. In fact they need paedos to be active so they can get their kicks.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty much what Tracey said, and he's been at it for years.

I think he's the one that needs a good bloody kicking.

Unfortunately the general population of facebook will not see it this way. On my newsfeed this week. People sharing the news story of a giant 15 ton shark caught in Pakistan as if it was a fact, and someone also saying if you slash three tyres on a car the insurance don't pay out, but if you do all four tyres, then the insurance will pay out. I'd love to say I must have thick people on my FB, but I don't think it's really the case.
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
15k hmmm I wonder if the taxman knows about this?



Why would the tax man care? IIRC UK tax laws allows you to give gifts to people. There are limits.

But if I give you £100 nothing happens. It does however go onto my inheritance calculation 7 year clock. But that's a tax I pay from my estate rather than yours.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:



Why would the tax man care? IIRC UK tax laws allows you to give gifts to people. There are limits.

But if I give you £100 nothing happens. It does however go onto my inheritance calculation 7 year clock. But that's a tax I pay from my estate rather than yours.


Wouldn't it depend if you you class a kick starter page as a business concern?
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Pretty much what Tracey said, and he's been at it for years.

I think he's the one that needs a good bloody kicking.

Unfortunately the general population of facebook will not see it this way. On my newsfeed this week. People sharing the news story of a giant 15 ton shark caught in Pakistan as if it was a fact, and someone also saying if you slash three tyres on a car the insurance don't pay out, but if you do all four tyres, then the insurance will pay out. I'd love to say I must have thick people on my FB, but I don't think it's really the case.


Think thats bad? my FB page is always full of "inspirational messages"! "May the Positive Energy Of the Universe Surround You Flow through You........." etc, ya get the picture Sad
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently a dodgy looking man who is always of eastern European or Asian or African descent is trying to abduct children from outside a school near you (and me, and everywhere else the details are changed to suit)
OMG!! this is so scary PLEASE SHARE GUYS
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boozehawk wrote:
Its all just about finding a convenient victim to get his rocks off on but being able to walk away feeling like hes a good guy when the truth is quite the opposite. I dont think these vigilanti types give a fuck about real victims at all.
It would seem that way - if they gave consideration to the victims [and the alleged perpetrators in some respects] they would probably realise these sort of methods are not only very inaccurate in many cases, but also very careless and quite possibly dangerous - theres a lot more constructive ways of dealing with these sort of problems. If witch hunts resulting in peoples lives being destroyed without the need for any sort of real proof or modern justice involvement is acceptable we might as well start building Coliseums again and throwing people to Lions Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 03 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
.......If witch hunts resulting in peoples lives being destroyed without the need for any sort of real proof or modern justice involvement is acceptable we might as well start building Coliseums again and throwing people to Lions Rolling Eyes


I suspect reality TV serves such a purpose just look at Jeremy Kyle.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 04 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:
Apparently a dodgy looking man who is always of eastern European or Asian or African descent is trying to abduct children from outside a school near you (and me, and everywhere else the details are changed to suit)
OMG!! this is so scary PLEASE SHARE GUYS


A friend of mine who works in tech support for a certain mobile phone depository ( Wink ) advises me that due to a thing thats going around on social media there are a large number of people microwaving their iPhones after the iOS 8 update. The thing doing the rounds states that one of the new features is an ability to wirelessly charge using microwaves.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 04 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The interesting question is why is he so keen to help catch them. Typically it's either he wants a chance to play vigilante and attack people to feed his own ego, or he's actually a paedo himself. Police wouldn't be able to do much with his evidence, most of it's going to fall under entrapment, and the first case of entrapment would destroy his credibility in the witness box and make all other evidence from him, no matter how legitimate, totally worthless. Actually those people on any Youtube videos may even be able to use that to destroy any separate police prosecutions on the grounds that it blocked their right to a fair trial.
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PostPosted: 02:42 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a massive case of entrapment.

You can plant seeds in many peoples' minds - people who would have otherwise remained perfectly decent.

I guess it depends on his methods though. Does he specially lure these guys in, or does he make a fake profile (using which websites??) and simply wait for paedophiles to come to him? If the latter, then fair enough.
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PostPosted: 03:26 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
I think it's a massive case of entrapment.

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Does he specially lure these guys in, or does he make a fake profile (using which websites??) and simply wait for paedophiles to come to him? If the latter, then fair enough.

It's not entrapment.

Stinton makes fake profiles (such as an 11 year old autistic girl) and the fiddlers message that profile.

The fiddler approach the fake profile, they start chatting her up, she says that she's whatever age the fake profile is, they send pics/videos of themselves wanking and other such omgwtf, they want to meet up with her, she asks about why they'd be wanting to meet someone of her age, they talk about what they want to do to/with her, etc etc.

Finally, they get on a train or drive to go to what they think is the girls house.

Stinton & co say that they are giving the fiddlers enough rope to hang themselves with. Which seems to be true, all the chat conversations are on their website.

No idea what chat rooms they use, I'd expect you could use most dating chat rooms and achieve similar results.

It's interesting to wonder if it really is as simple as they make it out to be but despite all the filth in my browsing history, going to chat rooms and waiting for kiddy fiddlers to send messages would be something far too wrong (or at least questionable) to have done even if using proxies and TOR.

On a bit of a tangent... there's the The North American Man/Boy Love Association. Sick
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 05 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste, that's not what he does. He posts as an 18+ female then tells his victim at the very last minute, i.e. When victim is waiting to meet the "girl", that she is under-age. Then, when the victim runs off, Stinson & his henchmen chase and film him while accusing him of "paedo crime". Then they put the footage up on Youtube.

In any event, even if he was posing as an under-age girl, all the entrapment arguments still stack up. None of his "evidence" would be admissible and so there is no reasonable prospect of prosecution. This is why the police/CPS won't use it. Yet Stinson tells us that the police are useless and that he, Stinson, is the protector of our little girls.

Absolute bollocks. Totally unjustifiable. Devoid of legitimacy.

These are the actions of a damaged man fighting his own demons. A bully. A show-off. A monstrous flawed ego.

He should be ignored not encouraged and certainly not crowd-funded.
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