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jackzR
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 16 Oct 2014    Post subject: thoughts on this bike/deal Reply with quote

I been looking at getting a ninja for a while but I thought they are too expensive however I have the money saved and can afford one however didn't see the point when you can buy a ninja 250 1800 Suzuki 650s for 2k etc..

However I seen this bike it's close to my address, do you think it's too cheap? comes with 17months warranty or if I brought it i'd still loose money? the insurance is 1k for me fully comp. 3.5k is still alot of money for a first bike.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201410128151293/

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PostPosted: 23:04 - 16 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check it for finance or loans outstanding
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PostPosted: 07:43 - 17 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's cheap for a reason - With the engine size and power output, I'm not sure it would be the best choice for the class of licence you would need to ride it - which could make it difficult to sell.
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 17 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Could very well be on finance.

Might be tricky to sell on because it's not a massively popular license class, and it's not the "best" bike that an A2 rider can have.

BUT. That's a decent price, especially with ABS. There doesn't always have to be a catch.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 17 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
Check it for finance or loans outstanding


Yes that is a good point as it's quite likely people finance this.

Taught2BCautious wrote:
It's cheap for a reason - With the engine size and power output, I'm not sure it would be the best choice for the class of licence you would need to ride it - which could make it difficult to sell.


I would be riding it on a A2 license which this bike runs at the limit however Im 24 in one year and can do unrestricted test.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 17 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackzR wrote:
I would be riding it on a A2 license which this bike runs at the limit however Im 24 in one year and can do unrestricted test.

There are bigger, better, cheaper bikes in the A2 class, but if you get your 'A' licence in a year, would you be selling it back into the 'A2' market and expect not to lose a packet?
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 17 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you currently have a 125? If you do why not just keep that for a year?

That Ninja is a new bike aimed at a new(ish) licence class, Honda and Yamaha have got their own 300 offerings coming so I guess the manufacturers see it as a growth area where there will be demand so arguably it could be a good purchase. However the otherside of the coin is it's an unknown so why gamble?

You could pick up a CBR/VFR/ZXR/ZZR/FZR/GSXR 400 for less than 1/3rd of the price, easily restrict it, ride it for a year. Then do DAS and derestrict, sell when you get bored and buy bigger. As long as you don't mangle it the little 400 probably won't lose you much if any money (buy low and treat it well it may gain you a little).
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 17 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:
jackzR wrote:
I would be riding it on a A2 license which this bike runs at the limit however Im 24 in one year and can do unrestricted test.

There are bigger, better, cheaper bikes in the A2 class, but if you get your 'A' licence in a year, would you be selling it back into the 'A2' market and expect not to lose a packet?


Yes I believe I would be selling back to the A2 market, I don't know how long I would be keeping the bike for, I may be able to get that price back again however I would loose alot on insurance.

My work colleague is trying to sell me his SV650s for 2k which is alot cheaper on insurance.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 18 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
Do you currently have a 125? If you do why not just keep that for a year?

That Ninja is a new bike aimed at a new(ish) licence class, Honda and Yamaha have got their own 300 offerings coming so I guess the manufacturers see it as a growth area where there will be demand so arguably it could be a good purchase. However the otherside of the coin is it's an unknown so why gamble?

You could pick up a CBR/VFR/ZXR/ZZR/FZR/GSXR 400 for less than 1/3rd of the price, easily restrict it, ride it for a year. Then do DAS and derestrict, sell when you get bored and buy bigger. As long as you don't mangle it the little 400 probably won't lose you much if any money (buy low and treat it well it may gain you a little).


I had a 125cc scooter for a year however it has gone back as it was rent through a council scheme it was £18.50 a week for insurance cbt gear...

Either I was thinking of getting this.. but as you say it's alot of money but it is a nice bike... I was even thinking of getting a ybr 125 for another year and waiting till i'm 24.. but then i'd be looking at a bigger cc bike with no in between experience..

so most saying no point in getting this..which I partly agree.. It's just weather i want to loose cash really mainly insurance...
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 18 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

jackzR wrote:


Either I was thinking of getting this.. but as you say it's alot of money but it is a nice bike... I was even thinking of getting a ybr 125 for another year and waiting till i'm 24.. but then i'd be looking at a bigger cc bike with no in between experience..

so most saying no point in getting this..which I partly agree.. It's just weather i want to loose cash really mainly insurance...


Look at the 400's I listed many can be had for under a grand, all can be restricted for a2 licence but then you can remove the restriction when on a full A. You'll spend less on the bike and insurance then than you would spend just on the bike with the ninja 300 and all in it won't cost a lot more than a YBR and insurance.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 18 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd get it if you plan to keep riding it and putting a lot of miles on it.

Like me Razz and then we can meet up and be ninja buddies

But really I think the ninja is a nice bike and I paid full price new so that would be a bargain price for the ABS version which new price would be like 5k. Also maybe the price has dropped because 2015 models have come out now. HPI Check it for sure though.

As for those saying it's not the best bike you can get on an A2 license, who needs the full 47bhp when you can get to 60 in 5-6 seconds, and cruise at 70 comfortably. Just yesterday I took mine to an indicated 100 for the first time and it still wanted to pull higher (I chickened out for fear of losing license Laughing ) These bikes don't really seem to be common around here either so there's that factor. Probably does mean it's harder to sell, but if you're looking at the long term you haven't got to worry about that really.

I pretty much realized in my situation I can't afford a supersport for many years to come yet even though I'd love to have one, so I went full retard on this bike.

So my advice is if this is gonna be an in-between bike for you and not a long term investment, don't get one cause they're expensive for what they are, and are sort of uncommon in terms of license category and are therefore harder to shift when you're going to move onto something bigger in the short term. It'd be easier if you're getting an inbetween bike to get something more common/cheaper around the 1.5k mark and easy to flog at only a couple hundred less than what you got it for.

If long term, that's dead cheap for a new ABS ninja.
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 18 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ninja is a good bike.I still have my 250 and the 300 is even better.
But if you get something with a restrictor in you can maybe think about getting it out next year and not have to buy another bike.
I still have and enjoy my Ninja but maybe only because I have the option to ride my other bike too.
The 300 is still pretty new and expensive though.That would be my only worry.Because you can get a bigger cc bike for a lot cheaper.
But again the 300 is a nice bike and being fairly new you'll have little hassle with it.
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PostPosted: 06:42 - 19 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd check that the warranty is transferrable too. Also, current owner has had it 4 months, and has 17 months left of a 24-month warranty. This tells me there's 3 months worth missing somewhere. Seems to me that this bike was pre-registered and you'll be the third owner. If you were to sell it in a year when you go for the top bracket license you're looking at it being a fourth owner bike in less than 2 years.

I'd be looking at this with a sort of large dose of salts rather than a pinch, especially with what can be had for much less cash in the same (A2) category.

If your plan really is to go for (A) in a year, then get something bigger (SV650 et al) and restrict it down. Take the restraints off with the new license.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 19 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything about that ad says that an middle aged gent has bought a bike and can't get on with it. Tidy house in a leafy suburb, car that's in the upper price range for it's class and look the bike is even full of petrol. Not a financial circumstance I bet he's a return-to-biking guy who's had 400 miles of riding to realise it's not like it used to be.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 19 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Everything about that ad says that an middle aged gent has bought a bike and can't get on with it. Tidy house in a leafy suburb, car that's in the upper price range for it's class and look the bike is even full of petrol. Not a financial circumstance I bet he's a return-to-biking guy who's had 400 miles of riding to realise it's not like it used to be.



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PostPosted: 16:31 - 19 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:04 - 19 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

If its what YOU want and you can afford it then get it....if you ask other peoples opinions on bikes you'll end up with a hundred different answers.

I doubt youd lose much on that bike if you had it 6 months then realised it wasnt for you. So its not that big of a gamble.

Its obviously a bike youve carefully thought about and chosen. Its you that has to live with it so go over and have a look. It would be would checking it has no finance. But as long as it hasnt and is clean example then why not.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 19 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would go for the SV then you can unrestrict it

coincidently my brothers is for sale Laughing

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PostPosted: 21:21 - 19 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do a c heck on it, the reg numbers id in the pictures (which makes me think its legit like Geri says)

Then buy it, its cheap,
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 20 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking again I would say go for it.
If its 1k insurance I'd think some other bikes will be ridiculous money to insure.
Looks nice and tbh it will be plenty fast enough for a first bike.Think the 0-60 is about 5.5 secs which isn't too shabby.
You could keep it a year and probably still get your money back.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 20 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Everything about that ad says that an middle aged gent has bought a bike and can't get on with it. Tidy house in a leafy suburb, car that's in the upper price range for it's class and look the bike is even full of petrol. Not a financial circumstance I bet he's a return-to-biking guy who's had 400 miles of riding to realise it's not like it used to be.


Yeah that's what I thought aswell!Seems like a nice area!

As said the only thing I'm worryied about is the insurance it's like 350 - 400 - 600 full comp to insure for an SV when I would need fully comp on this 1k as 700 Third party.

Like you say it's worth having a look, but there's a difference in having money and being silly with it Smile
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 20 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You pay the sportsbike premium for what is essentially worse than an ER5 Neutral

Would just buy used and wait out the A2...
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 20 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
You pay the sportsbike premium for what is essentially worse than an ER5 Neutral

ABS, slipper clutch, bitches be creaming.

But insurance splurging, urgh, no thanks, money down the drain.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 20 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This bike has not seen water and been cleaned after every ride.


Have to wonder what he used to clean it... Embarassed

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Unfortunately a change in circumstance means a very reluctant sale


Her indoors has said NO.... Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 20 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm paying £900 TPO for my insurance cause everythings so fucking expensive for me. Granted I'm only 20 and have no NCD and just got my A2 license a month ago so it'd be expected to pay this much for a new shiny bike. The insurance on the Ninja is absolute wank.

In fact for me (I think I'm cursed) insurance companies seem to want to rip me off with any fucking bike. It's like they're pointing a finger at me saying "fuck this person in particular".
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