FFS!! What is it with car drivers

rizo-sri200 · Trackday Trickster Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Karma :

Had my First proper accident today...

Going round a big roundabout and some idiot in a honda civic pulled out from a junction to the left and i had to lean the bike back uprite so avoid going into and possibly under him but i still ended up hitting him in the rear right

He has a nice dent and scratch from were my bar end hit him in the side and the bike slid down the side of the car....
BTW i didnt drop the bike, i sorta bounced Wink

Anyway was it his fualt or mine??

Many Thanks Guys/Gals Smile

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Mr C · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Feb 2003 Karma :

were you ON the roundabout?
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JodieWodie · Reflective Banana Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

If he pulled out from your left..then he had to give way to you.

His fault...surely!!!

Seems to happen to me a lot....
READ MY POST !!!
Happened to me tonight at a junction though...luckily I didn't hit the nob end!! Twisted Evil

Sorry that happened

Jo xxxxxxxxx
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JodieWodie · Reflective Banana Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

Which lane were you in???.....

I think he was on the roundabout...he said 'while going round'...
but maybe not
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rizo-sri200 · Trackday Trickster Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Karma :

I was on the roundabout indicating left to turn off at the next road and he pulled out... ARGH
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JodieWodie · Reflective Banana Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

Mr C · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Feb 2003 Karma :

hang on, you were indicating left and he pulled out

that tends to imply that you were indicating to pull into the juction he was pulling out of?

you can't have been past the junction so you shouldn't have been indicating

surely Confused

however, technically whatever you were indicating I think it is still his fault as he should have made sure you were going to leave the roundabout before he pulled out
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187.3bhp = 201mph

JodieWodie · Reflective Banana Joined: 22 Jul 2004 Karma :

rizo-sri200 · Trackday Trickster Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Karma :

Take a look
https://www.jonrisby.co.uk/car.bmp
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Robby · Dirty Old Man Joined: 16 May 2002 Karma :

So at what point on that diagram did you start indicating.

Also if you crashed into the car it suggests you were going too fast for the roundabout.
were you on the inside or the outside lane?

Claud 14.7 to 1 · World Chat Champion Joined: 06 May 2004 Karma :

Yer you would have to be indicating, between the exit you took on-to the round about, and the 1st exit, for there to be confusion...

technically you should have put you indicator on to exit the roundabout, just as you passed, the "offending" car's junction part...

Ian (GPX) · Brolly Dolly Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Karma :

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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Sounds to me like he was assuming you were indicating to turn to the turning on your left, as would be fair to assume. Sorry, but it was your fault if you ask me. Neutral

Don't ever start to indicate until the turning which you are taking is the next one you're going to come to as otherwise stuff like this will happen, and if you saw someone indicating left and there is a left turning approaching, you do expect and think that they're going to turn left.

rizo-sri200 · Trackday Trickster Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Karma :

Ian....
That is where i started indicating where you put your green arrow
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Robby · Dirty Old Man Joined: 16 May 2002 Karma :

Well, defensize riding is required here. Goes for bike or car, always expect everyone else to try and kill you.

What bike were you riding, was your headlight on, and do you have dinky indicators or full size ones?

I often don't see dinky indicators if they are near to a bright headlamp - I look away from the light, and don't see the comparitively small dim light from the indicator. The honda bricks on stalks are bulky and ugly but safe.

Ian (GPX) · Brolly Dolly Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Karma :

rizo-sri200 · Trackday Trickster Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Karma :

I was on My Honda CB-1
Fullsize Indicators and had my sidelights on as i always do
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Frost · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 May 2004 Karma :

you know what the car did?
I did that once on a driving lesson, witht he lazy way in which people indicate and turn off roundabouts its easlily done.
When i did it the car on the roundabout left the left turn signal fairly late, and came from the inside lane, accross 2 wide lanes and off the roundabout in one go.
From the cars position and the fact it wasnt indicating suggested it wasnt going down my exit, or the next one, but the one after that.
I pulled into the left hand lane, only to have the car switch lanes in front of me so i nearly went into the car at a right angle :/

In my situation i was really at fault, in yours you seem to have done nothing wrong so i would say that the car was at fault. besides, unless you are speeding and you went into the back/side of the car then the car is automatically at fault

WildGoose · White Van Man Joined: 20 Mar 2002 Karma :

had a similar accident on a roundabout a while ago, also didnt drop bike, just bounced it off the car, a women decided she didnt want the exit she chose, so jumped across at the last second, and as i was heading for the same exit but in the inside lane she cut me off

i now never put myself in that position again, and expect the un-expected

it felt damn good to smash the bike but not drop it, like maybe i was semi-anticipating it, or had just learnt to steer and brake rather than just panic

sorry to hear about it
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rizo-sri200 · Trackday Trickster Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Karma :

Frost · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 May 2004 Karma :

The fact that he did not pull off at the exit that it might have looked like he wanted, would have left him on the roundabout. Wrong or not if he is on the roundabout you give way to him. the car driver clearly looked once, assumed what the bike was doing then driven onto the round about.

At the end of the day, it doesnt matter what road users LOOK like they are going to do, its what they actually do. if someone is inicating left whilst doing 60mph 10 meters away from a turn, you dont pull out in front of them assuming they are going to turn as despite the signal, you know otherwise.
In this situation the car driver clearly wasnt paying attention otherwise he would have stayed put.