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PostPosted: 17:22 - 25 Oct 2014    Post subject: Repairing category C's for profit? Reply with quote

Basically I was looking to get my first bike and ive decided to repair a cat C write-off, just to save myself a little cash

I did wonder if there is much profit in buying/selling repaired bikes as a hobby outside work?


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PostPosted: 18:04 - 25 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

based on my experience with one Cat D bike there is - I have changed the clutch lever, two indicators and gear lever and sold it 4 months later for modest £150 profit.

Probably you can do even more by bying more expensive newer bike with less miles on the clock. The key here is low miles.

Note Cat D and C sale value drops so you need to be extra careful when buying, means haggle a lot and buy cheap.
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 25 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is more margin to be made on cat D than cat C as values tend to plummet on cat C.

That being said, I do that with cars, I stick to 2 make/models at the time, as a result I have a shed full of mx5 and SLK spares, so some times I don't need to part with any money on parts for a swift profit as I already have the parts indoors from previous donor cars and repairs.

Is an on and off hobby for me, I want to migrate to bikes as my bike repair experience builds up
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 25 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

NashGT wrote:
There is more margin to be made on cat D than cat C as values tend to plummet on cat C.

Can you define "plummet"?
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 25 Oct 2014    Post subject: Re: Repairing category C's for profit? Reply with quote

There is a very decent differential between the price they offer for salvage and the price the machine is worth.

After that, it generally seems pretty marginal - so if you can find someone happy to make a quick buck and give them a bit over said salvage value, then you can do well. Once you get to buying at auction, you're usually on to it being pretty risky.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 25 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC wrote:
I think the profit comes from getting the bikes straight from the insurers and selling them on. For example this bike has almost identical damage to mine, but sold for 3 times the salvage value of my bike. At that price you would struggle to repair the damage and make any profit at all.



I would be buying bikes such as that (from that very seller) where a majority of the profit has been made, rather.than straight from the insurer. I intended to buy yzf 125s and cbr 125s for roughly 500-800, I see used ones going for 1200-1800. I intend to make them road worthy and resell in a "used" condition, fixing only essential pieces and major cosmetic damage whilst ignoring minor scuffs/scrapes
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 25 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShellyTheShocker wrote:

I would be buying bikes such as that (from that very seller) where a majority of the profit has been made, rather.than straight from the insurer. I intended to buy yzf 125s and cbr 125s for roughly 500-800, I see used ones going for 1200-1800. I intend to make them road worthy and resell in a "used" condition, fixing only essential pieces and major cosmetic damage whilst ignoring minor scuffs/scrapes


I think you are onto a loser from two reasons here and 1 is the bikes you are talking about.

17year olds don't want scratched and battered bikes. If they weren't conscious of the bird pulling power of a shiny sports bike they would be on YBRs or CG's.

2 - I would hazard a guess that most 17 year olds first bike is financed by bank of Mum and Dad, and if I was financing my child's first motorbike, no way would I entertain a right off for them.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 25 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

I think you are onto a loser from two reasons here and 1 is the bikes you are talking about.

17year olds don't want scratched and battered bikes. If they weren't conscious of the bird pulling power of a shiny sports bike they would be on YBRs or CG's.

2 - I would hazard a guess that most 17 year olds first bike is financed by bank of Mum and Dad, and if I was financing my child's first motorbike, no way would I entertain a right off for them.


True that, I envisioned most teens paying their own way and needing a cheap bike, then a cheap yzf a must be score. I wasnt implying a shoddy looking one either, perhaps one they can "make do" with or work on

I sure wish I had parent to get me a new bike fresh out of school

Your right tho, I know you are. I'd just hoped the situation wasnt that dire and my pipedream hobby could net me a little profit
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 26 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShellyTheShocker wrote:
Polarbear wrote:

I think you are onto a loser from two reasons here and 1 is the bikes you are talking about.

17year olds don't want scratched and battered bikes. If they weren't conscious of the bird pulling power of a shiny sports bike they would be on YBRs or CG's.

2 - I would hazard a guess that most 17 year olds first bike is financed by bank of Mum and Dad, and if I was financing my child's first motorbike, no way would I entertain a right off for them.


True that, I envisioned most teens paying their own way and needing a cheap bike, then a cheap yzf a must be score. I wasnt implying a shoddy looking one either, perhaps one they can "make do" with or work on

I sure wish I had parent to get me a new bike fresh out of school

Your right tho, I know you are. I'd just hoped the situation wasnt that dire and my pipedream hobby could net me a little profit


I'm sure you will make pocket money and once in a while a big killing but for the effort you will have to put in, hmm.

I have bought 2 cars at auction and sold them on ebay at a profit, not because I was trying to make money but because either I or the wife didn't like them so I had to get something else. However they were good cars with long MOT's so easy to move on with no work.

Also the used vehicle market is full of pond life, chancers and sharks. Smelly Joe comes round with his mates demanding his money back cause it blew up 6 weeks after you sold it to him. Fuck that. Laughing Oh, Then the inland revenue start to get interested after a few vehicles.

I'm sure everyone on this forum with a modicum of mechanical knowledge has entertained doing this sort of thing and then come to the conclusion it isn't worth the aggro
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 26 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
NashGT wrote:
There is more margin to be made on cat D than cat C as values tend to plummet on cat C.

Can you define "plummet"?

I no rite

My first bike was cat c write off... I don't actually remember anything at all being wrong with it Shocked
Nope, nothing, was ready to ride. Just got a bargain 2500 mileage YBR.

Don't really think it's worth the effort, you'll lose most your profits getting the bikes moved unless you can pick them up and it's a hassle for a small margin
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 26 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
NashGT wrote:
There is more margin to be made on cat D than cat C as values tend to plummet on cat C.

Can you define "plummet"?


Once a bike it slapped with a cat C , it market value drops like a lead balloon, leaving very little room for profit in most cases.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 29 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would also be a bit sceptical about how they categorise some write offs.

I had a Honda Crosstourer in that was a supposed Cat D. To me this would be cosmetic rather than structural.

It ended up needing a good £3000 in parts including a new front wheel, new forks, new yokes, new headrace bearings, new front tyre......
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PostPosted: 02:08 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ShellyTheShocker wrote:

True that, I envisioned most teens paying their own way and needing a cheap bike, then a cheap yzf a must be score. I wasnt implying a shoddy looking one either, perhaps one they can "make do" with or work on

I sure wish I had parent to get me a new bike fresh out of school

Your right tho, I know you are. I'd just hoped the situation wasnt that dire and my pipedream hobby could net me a little profit


I think Polarbear is right sadly, I did quite literally "work my way up" the ladder of bikes. My first ride was a 1971 mobylette my dad had been given probs when I was about 12. Living in the countryside, that let me get a job in the local town where I earned the cash to get a much better DT50MX. Passed my bike test 3 weeks after turning 17 and then got in the despair-filled world of 80s shitters. Riding such noble steeds as SR250SE, XS400 and the dreaded MZ250.

I hazard a guess that I am by far in the minority though and that most parents would rather shell out of their own pocket than let their kids ride old shitters.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it purely an in insurance thing until they're like class A which need retesting to put on the road
Pretty sure I looked into it and even class B wasn't really a thing and you could jsut MOT the bike and ride it, purely an insurance thing
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's purely an insurance thing for bikes, whatever the category.

The guideline for people that sell Cat As/Bs is that they shouldn't go back on the road and they might get some internal issues if they sell them to someone that then puts it back on the road as opposed to stripping for parts. But no legal issues.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

NashGT wrote:
Once a bike it slapped with a cat C , it market value drops like a lead balloon

Does it?

By how much?
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

By how much?

A quick google shows:
Mythbusters made a Lead Balloon, it seems.
It was very large and weighed 11kg.
Last year the price of lead was around £1.50/kg.

So; I can conclude the market value would drop by £33.

Of course, it might actually be a metaphor. In which case, this lead balloon at least floated, so from that, the answer would be 'not much' it seems!
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
It's purely an insurance thing for bikes, whatever the category.

The guideline for people that sell Cat As/Bs is that they shouldn't go back on the road and they might get some internal issues if they sell them to someone that then puts it back on the road as opposed to stripping for parts. But no legal issues.

So basically there's no such thing as insurance categories

So the question is, can I make money doing up shitters
Yes if you can be arsed and do a decent job of it and have sound engines, I guess

the fuck do I know
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
NashGT wrote:
Once a bike it slapped with a cat C , it market value drops like a lead balloon

Does it?

By how much?


I'll let you know when the cunts tell me how much they're gonna offer for my FZ...
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 30 Oct 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stupid idea in this day and age, that you can buy old crashed bikes and fix them up, then sell them on for profit IMO. It means two things:

1, You will only ever approach an motorcycle again with the aim of:
what does it absolutely essentially need fixing, to go back on the road, go and stop and pass an MOT. You will never put your mark on anything, or ever go the extra mile to replace things that if it were your own bike you might well do early, or because you'd like to look after it as well as you can.

2, All the time and effort and money spent fixing and selling on bikes, means your going to do it for the money, and like the money better than the bikes. This logically could mean you prefer working on bikes and or holding monies in your hand as opposed to riding them and paying out monies to be able to keep doing so.

There's nothing wrong with motorcycles to pay the bills/earn a living, but you can bet that the guy doing this is not doing it for the love of bikes, or has the interest in being around them or riding them much if at all outside of work.

There's a guy at a local bikeshop, that spanners and cleans and PDi's bikes, and it's all to pay his bills and pay for his other non bike related hobbies and leisure time. I don't want bikes to be about business instead of pleasure for me, so I'll never get involved with them at work.
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