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PostPosted: 12:00 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Padgetts Honda, Meh! Reply with quote
Hi
Went to view the divvy today, asked Alec yesterday again about the condition, c&s,fork seals and such.
He said all fine its a great bike, he wont be there today but his colleague will, got there at 09:30 and saw the bike, well the right fork leg was piss wet through with fluid and c&s were well past it so i thought ok i can listen to it and maybe get thee price down from £1400, now the old bloke there seemed more interested in eating sandwiches than attending to me so i said any chance of listening to it, didn't seem thrilled but said ok and proceeded with the oh that's a cheap price crap, i replied priced to high.
He started the bike and revved it for......wait....30 seconds then turned it off walked away back to his sandwich, i couldn't believe it, i got to hear clutch rattle and the top end sounded like a rattly old diesel.
I walked over to him and said is that it?, he looked annoyed and started to get up with the keys again and at that point i said don't bother, your food seems more important than a customer and thanks for wasting my time and money, then i left.
So one private and one dealer, both Yorkshire, have i done something wrong, offended anyone?, f*&^ed if i know, from now on now I will look local.

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PostPosted: 12:56 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dealers. Doh!

I wonder, how many good bikes have you overlooked while fixating on finding a divvy?
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
I bought my VFR 800 from Padgetts, and they were nothing but helpful, it was nearly new thought. They even sorted out the DVLA "Fine" i got for not taxing my old bike I part ex with them because they didn't send off the log book.

Maybe the problem is not the dealers, just a thought
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
duhawkz wrote:
I bought my VFR 800 from Padgetts, and they were nothing but helpful, it was nearly new thought. They even sorted out the DVLA "Fine" i got for not taxing my old bike I part ex with them because they didn't send off the log book.

Maybe the problem is not the dealers, just a thought


It certainly isn't me, the chap i spoke to on the phone called Alec was fine and helpful I was disappointed that the oil seal was leaking when he said it was fine but the old boy there this morning was a waste of space, I had driven 60 miles with £1400 in my pocket.
Rogerborg, lol im not fixated on a divvy, I just wanted a good commuter, reliable like the cg easy to work on and ride all year round without having to ride in a superman position and the divvy ticked the box as does a fazer but they seem tatty and high mileage, Im trying to find a low mileage bike for long term use and commuting while i save for a fun bike a year or two down the line.

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PostPosted: 13:23 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
As it stands I'm really thinking about this as snoosnoo suggested, could be on the road for £1100. Other than that im trawling adverts around Wigan now.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dp4pokrdy37mzly/AAAGk845r0wq8acDagy43N3Pa?dl=0

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PostPosted: 14:01 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mark65 wrote:
As it stands I'm really thinking about this as snoosnoo suggested, could be on the road for £1100. Other than that im trawling adverts around Wigan now.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dp4pokrdy37mzly/AAAGk845r0wq8acDagy43N3Pa?dl=0

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Buy it you could do worse. Though I'd try to argue the price down based on that shock. I have one half as crappy looking as that on my shelf and it's unusable.

edit - the piston sticking out the rear calliper looks a bit corroded too.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Did you go to padgetts in Batley? I've been there for some test rides last year and was pleased with the service. The service being given a piece of paper to sign and the keys to the VFR800
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
£1400 gets you a Fireblade these days. You know it makes sense. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg, snoosnoo, this is up the road from me, can get it for £900 if no bids are made, what do you think??
Thanks

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291500775122?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mark65 wrote:
Rogerborg, snoosnoo, this is up the road from me, can get it for £900 if no bids are made, what do you think??
Thanks

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291500775122?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


The fixed to high standards means plastics but looking at that can bent up under the left side passenger peg, it has took some.

Providing it runs, it runs straight I'd have it. 2006 ones asking prices are quite high.

Black frame - nice. Would remove those "bungs" immediately, they're thin bolted crappy things that do no protection, reportedly.

In all - would have at that price.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks snoosnoo, any way i can check what the damage was?, he doesnt know , he bought it that way, wr6133, yes i noticed that but i dont think he will budge any more was up at £1200 lol, last owner said it was fine but too much for tyre , exhaust and shims so he part ex it for £600. If the black one runs fine im not bothered it will only be tpft on it anyway, cheap enough not to cry if i come off it, going looking at it an a bit.

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snoosnoo wrote:
Would remove those "bungs" immediately, they're thin bolted crappy things that do no protection, reportedly.


They snap off, fucking the threaded hole they screw in to on the frame, meaning you are then down one point to bolt the fairing on too.

I haz the fucked hole on my frame Sad
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Mark65 wrote:
Thanks snoosnoo, any way i can check what the damage was?, he doesnt know , he bought it that way, wr6133, yes i noticed that but i dont think he will budge any more was up at £1200 lol, last owner said it was fine but too much for tyre , exhaust and shims so he part ex it for £600. If the black one runs fine im not bothered it will only be tpft on it anyway, cheap enough not to cry if i come off it, going looking at it an a bit.

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If they've fixed the damage, there'll be no way to know what's happened. BUT. Common damage to a ZZR from any fall, exhaust can get bent/scratched, the riders footpeg hanger always snaps, bar end scuff, some fairing scuffage (sometimes cracking) and being on the left, may have bent the gear shift lever. If it all looks straight and true, it'll be fine.

He mentions he put new brakes on. This will be because he didn't keep up on the maintenance of the old ones. The stock Tokicos are well known for getting gummed up, so try and keep on top of them and you'll be ok.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mark65 wrote:
If the black one runs fine im not bothered it will only be tpft on it anyway, cheap enough not to cry if i come off it, going looking at it an a bit.


I don't think they ever came with black engine casings (late ones did have the black frame though). So if someone has powder coated those casings I'd imagine money was thrown at the repair (which makes the bent exhaust seem odd, unless it was bent later on).

If the description and images are honest I'd buy it, the fact he has no bids with 4 hours to roll on the auction means I bet you can push that buy it now price down too.
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I don't think they ever came with black engine casings (late ones did have the black frame though). So if someone has powder coated those casings I'd imagine money was thrown at the repair (which makes the bent exhaust seem odd, unless it was bent later on).

If the description and images are honest I'd buy it, the fact he has no bids with 4 hours to roll on the auction means I bet you can push that buy it now price down too.


FYI black casings are on some post 2000 bikes. I replaced my clutch cover with a black one. With the age of that bike, I would assume the frame and engine casings were done for the colour scheme by the OEM.

I'd be up at his now with the dollars in my mitts saying, take my money mister. That bike is in better condition than mine, which is 11 years older and has been dropped too (by me Embarassed ) and fettled and I got it for £1100.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
snoosnoo wrote:

FYI black casings are on some post 2000 bikes. I replaced my clutch cover with a black one. With the age of that bike, I would assume the frame and engine casings were done for the colour scheme by the OEM.


Was that an OEM cover though?

I've stoked my own curiosity now but a quick look and I can't find any black covers being sold that aren't clearly coated/painted afterward or not OEM (taobao lists pattern parts in black).

The black frame I think was 03 onward but a quick look at bikes for sale 03 onward shows silver/greyish casings.
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Was that an OEM cover though?

I've stoked my own curiosity now but a quick look and I can't find any black covers being sold that aren't clearly coated/painted afterward or not OEM (taobao lists pattern parts in black).

The black frame I think was 03 onward but a quick look at bikes for sale 03 onward shows silver/greyish casings.


It's a good question, I suppose there's no way to be sure unless I smash it apart for analysis, I got it off a 2003 engine I believe, a mate was breaking an engine and it had black casings all round, and wasn't "pimped" in any other way.
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Okies, so have had a look fairing front is slightly to the right and a larger gap between edge and the lockable compartment, has engine been repainted?, images attached.
Rev it and clutch rumbles for a min or so (should it?), hold clutch in and no rumble but it feels boggy till it gets to 3k, only exhaust stands out for damage really, faring can be tweaked, got last owners details and mot and logbook.
It started straight away no turning over and only needed choke for a minute?, warmed up earlier or is this normal.
Will have to wait and see if anyone bids. Opinions please.


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Are the fairings from a 99 model?

https://moto.zombdrive.com/images/kawasaki-zzr600-1999-1.jpg

black engine and swingarm

https://uk.goldannonces.com/cars/images/catalogue/min/112014/1-444387005.jpg
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Why you would consider a bike from 2006 that looks fucking ancient for over 1.5k is beyond me.

Any bike you get, I mean ANY, could have issues 1 day, 5 days or 5 months down the line. If you like fiddling, grab something around the £1k marker, decent nick, use it and move on.

Alternatively, buy new. You know its not crashed and its run in how you want it.

Usually what you can't see fucks you up in the long term.
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Mark65 wrote:
Okies, so have had a look fairing front is slightly to the right and a larger gap between edge and the lockable compartment, has engine been repainted?, images attached.
Rev it and clutch rumbles for a min or so (should it?), hold clutch in and no rumble but it feels boggy till it gets to 3k, only exhaust stands out for damage really, faring can be tweaked, got last owners details and mot and logbook.
It started straight away no turning over and only needed choke for a minute?, warmed up earlier or is this normal.
Will have to wait and see if anyone bids. Opinions please.


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Mark


The fairings don't fit flush to the infils as far as I know, if you're happy with the gap, it'll be reet. The picture you've put on shows the silver engine, you're asking about the colours of the cases being different, I wouldn't worry about it in this instance.

IIRC the clutch can be rattly but I never listen for it, get on and ride.

I always start my bike with choke for a minute or so, then it'll idle happily.

AS for the boggy comment, if the bike has been sat the carbs can get a bit gummy, happens to mine if I leave it sitting for a week +. After a good ride, using the rev range it clears it out and is happy. Mine doesn't like operating road speeds when revs are less than 3k, so you'll never be that low when riding IMO.

As for fairings being from another model, AFAIK the fairing decals haven't been changed radically and just some colours were added later on I think.

Does it look clean and tidy? Did you ask him to nail it up the road in second yet?
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paddy
I wish i could go new, im now considering others also i see your point.
snoosnoo not yet i said if no one bids i would pop up and go through that, its defo been down on the nearside, i think it was repaired with fairings or stickers from the 99 version, i did find an image with black engine and swing arm, mot checks out.


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Mark65 wrote:
Okies, so have had a look fairing front is slightly to the right and a larger gap between edge and the lockable compartment, has engine been repainted?, images attached.
Rev it and clutch rumbles for a min or so (should it?), hold clutch in and no rumble but it feels boggy till it gets to 3k, only exhaust stands out for damage really, faring can be tweaked, got last owners details and mot and logbook.
It started straight away no turning over and only needed choke for a minute?, warmed up earlier or is this normal.
Will have to wait and see if anyone bids. Opinions please.


There is a subframe/fairing bracket at the front that holds the clocks and the front fairing, if the fairing is off a bit it's probably that. It looks like this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KAWASAKI-ZZR-600E-REF-BRH-FRONT-FAIRING-BRACKET-SLIGHTLY-BENT-SEE-PICTURES-/191618408467?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c9d58e013

Slightly noisy clutch is normal.

From that photo no idea if engine has been repainted. It's been cleaned though, I cleaned mine up 6 months ago and it's filthier than that by the headers now.

If you want it get it.... I'd start your offers under his starting auction bid though (if he gets no bids), worst he can say is "piss off" and you can always work up.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 02 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
wr6133 i will wait and see if anyone bids in not i will go in at £900, it may sell at the last minute. Thanks

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Nice, for example my Ninja 250, was superb, few iffy damaged bits externally but ran fine.

Out of nowhere, smash, engine chewed itself. Laughing
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