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PostPosted: 12:17 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just watched a short video of a helicopter flight on a beautiful day up the Khumbu valley on the approaches to Everest, Lhotse, Nuptse etc. Damn, I wish I'd had some different priorities in my younger years!
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have just watched a short video of a helicopter flight on a beautiful day up the Khumbu valley on the approaches to Everest, Lhotse, Nuptse etc. Damn, I wish I'd had some different priorities in my younger years!


If I recall, although it might look wonderful from a video, up near Everest base camp is pretty close to the ceiling of a lot of helicopters . . . I expect if this was the case, being in it might have been a bum-clenching experience! I have mixed feelings about visiting that area; I've always had a big interest in that part of the Himalaya (no real interest in actually climbing Everest) but at the same time a friend was killed en route to Lukla aiport (from Kathmandu) back in 2012 and it's made me think rather differently about visiting the area.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If I recall, although it might look wonderful from a video, up near Everest base camp is pretty close to the ceiling of a lot of helicopters . . . I expect if this was the case, being in it might have been a bum-clenching experience! I have mixed feelings about visiting that area; I've always had a big interest in that part of the Himalaya (no real interest in actually climbing Everest) but at the same time a friend was killed en route to Lukla aiport (from Kathmandu) back in 2012 and it's made me think rather differently about visiting the area.


Yeah, I'd always thought helicopters struggle at these kinds of altitudes (they got to about the height of the top of the Khumbu ice fall, so well over 17,000ft), but this one didn't seem to be struggling to get that far - maybe the pilot thought differently!

My interest these days certainly isn't in summiting anything so ambitious! It's the spectacular scenery that I'm interested in, and I always thought mountains often look more impressive from their feet, but a helicopter ride like this gives you something of both.

If you said to me now that I could have the most spectacular mountain experience of my life, but I'd have to die at the end of it, I'd be tempted! - am tempted; could always flog the house Laughing

Since you've shown interest, might as well post the vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuubU_0QCI
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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a friend was killed en route to Lukla aiport (from Kathmandu) back in 2012 and it's made me think rather differently about visiting the area.


Isn't it funny how you can get quite weird about places where people you were fond of have died or suffered major injury.

I was very freaky about going past Battersea Town Hall because my last boyfriend once nearly died from being stabbed outside there (over 20 years ago now) - I used to get stressed as fuck just driving past the side street, to know he'd gone through sheer hell right at that spot, right there, even though it was before I knew him at all.

And I still haven't been out to where Luke died. I can't bear to look at the curb or the telegraph pole and know they were the precursors (?perpetrators?) of his death - even if it was his own stupid fault for showing off and doing wheelies, the ginger twazzock Laughing

When I went to my ex-husband's house to clear it out, I asked his carer where he had found him, so when he pointed out whereabouts on the pavement he had been lying, and as I left I discovered myself unconsciously walking AROUND that spot.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The really mad people are those who climb that ice fall! Shocked

I think some people weigh it up by thinking what else they might achieve in life - especially if you're not family inclined. Some experiences are hard to beat.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, I'd always thought helicopters struggle at these kinds of altitudes (they got to about the height of the top of the Khumbu ice fall, so well over 17,000ft), but this one didn't seem to be struggling to get that far - maybe the pilot thought differently!

My interest these days certainly isn't in summiting anything so ambitious! It's the spectacular scenery that I'm interested in, and I always thought mountains often look more impressive from their feet, but a helicopter ride like this gives you something of both.

If you said to me now that I could have the most spectacular mountain experience of my life, but I'd have to die at the end of it, I'd be tempted! - am tempted; could always flog the house Laughing

Since you've shown interest, might as well post the vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuubU_0QCI


Just watched it - impressive! That helicopter must have been right on the edge of it's capabilities at times! I've read loads of books about Everest (accounts of climbs etc. including quite a few on the 1996 climbing season disaster) but it's funny, they don't really show the scale of the walk-in to the base camp, that flight certainly gives an insight into that - the area is huge!
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, there's watching...and there's doing!
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite! A closer to home adventure that's on my list (one day) is to backpack the Haute Route in the Alps. Doable in two weeks including transport there/back and much more affordable too. Not quite the same scale as the Himalayas though.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quite! A closer to home adventure that's on my list (one day) is to backpack the Haute Route in the Alps. Doable in two weeks including transport there/back and much more affordable too. Not quite the same scale as the Himalayas though.


I'd suggest making it an absolute priority. I've never regretted any of my long distance walks, fell walks or bike tours (always targeting some mountains somewhere), even when they left me skint, and probably helped contribute to my knackered knee which limits me a bit nowadays (I'd splint it and go anyway if I had the dosh!). I quit jobs to do some of them Smile

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PostPosted: 15:17 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd suggest making it an absolute priority. I've never regretted any of my long distance walks, fell walks or bike tours (always targeting some mountains somewhere), even when they left me skint, and probably helped contribute to my knackered knee which limits me a bit nowadays (I'd splint it and go anyway if I had the dosh!). I quit jobs to do some of them Smile

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I know, but imminent arrival of a kid puts restrictions on what one can do (for now!). Once it's old enough I'll probably drag it and the Mrs off into the mountains anyway - I was up in the mountains of the Lakes at the age of 5.

This is getting a bit more oiled gears rather than ground . . . Smile
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know, but imminent arrival of a kid puts restrictions on what one can do (for now!). Once it's old enough I'll probably drag it and the Mrs off into the mountains anyway - I was up in the mountains of the Lakes at the age of 5.



Well that's something to look forward to.

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This is getting a bit more oiled gears rather than ground . . . Smile


For you maybe Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Decided to attend one of those free digital lecture events, which had popped up in my Facebook feed.

It was on Zoom - I can't quite remember but I may have used Zoom to participate in a pub quiz with my mate Mad Liz, a month or so ago.

The subject was entitled "Violent Fluid" and was, of course, something about blood: the first lecture about depictions of Christ being crucified and showing blood dripping and other gory things. The second lecture was about a picture of Donald Trump that had been painted in menstrual blood with a tampon and brush (yes *sigh* I know) Rolling Eyes

But it was a different format than the pub quiz, and all I could see was a single screen showing the faces of the lecturers. I didn't get to see any of the rest of the audience. Whereas in the pub quiz, we all got to see one another on the screen, whilst miserably failing to answer questions correctly.

So I dunno if I had my filters wrong or what, maybe the organisers set it so that you could ONLY see them and their slides, rather than the rest of the audience attending.

I certainly hope so, cos less than halfway through the second lecture I fell asleep. Shocked

I woke up towards the last two minutes of the lecture, feeling for all the world like an attendee in the House of Lords Laughing

I may have to train my algorithm to send me more interesting ones during which I might actually manage to stay awake. Missed a good one last week about mourning jewellery, doh!
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

My usual DIY outlet of choice is closed, the type of place where "got any O's" is frequently heard.

All I wanted was a 4" hose clamp, so off to the big sheds I go.

Oh fucking deary me. Who on earth chooses what stock these places carry? Is it Beryl, who's on a 6mth waiting list for a hysterectomy & has never put so much as a shelf up in her 48.7yrs ?

How can a shop so big, with sooo much floorspace, not have a 4" hose clamp?
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 01 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My usual DIY outlet of choice is closed, the type of place where "got any O's" is frequently heard.

All I wanted was a 4" hose clamp, so off to the big sheds I go.

Oh fucking deary me. Who on earth chooses what stock these places carry? Is it Beryl, who's on a 6mth waiting list for a hysterectomy & has never put so much as a shelf up in her 48.7yrs ?

How can a shop so big, with sooo much floorspace, not have a 4" hose clamp?


I went to one of the big places, no proper Pick Axes, no bundles of cheap paint brushes, only two types of wheel barrows in and no handy folding work benches.
Had the pleasure of waiting in the queue for half an hour to find that out too.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to halfords to use up a gift voucher. It can only be used in store Mad decided on bicycle brakes. Local shop had one, was opened and messed about with. Next shop 20km away had two. Both had the discs theived. So I went back to first shop. They had sold the other one but had brand new wrapped with a security tag so I got that.

55km done on bicycle, some fecking steep hills too.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If I recall, although it might look wonderful from a video, up near Everest base camp is pretty close to the ceiling of a lot of helicopters . . . I expect if this was the case, being in it might have been a bum-clenching experience!


Yeah, I'd always thought helicopters struggle at these kinds of altitudes (they got to about the height of the top of the Khumbu ice fall, so well over 17,000ft), but this one didn't seem to be struggling to get that far - maybe the pilot thought differently!


Helicopter touch down on Everest summit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXNXSvnCtKA

To keep on topic, it grinds my gears I can't go and do stuff like this!
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Helicopter touch down on Everest summit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXNXSvnCtKA

To keep on topic, it grinds my gears I can't go and do stuff like this!


Shocked Now that's impressive, I didn't realise helicopters could get to those altitudes. Something like a third of the sea-level air density or something at Everest summit? So you've got a third of the oxygen to run the engine and presumably a struggle to physically move enough air to keep the helicopter up.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, he hasn't really landed, he's still using lift in a partial hover. So no translational lift where the rotor disc clears its own turbulence and becomes more efficient, although presumably with the thinner atmosphere, there'd be less of that. I guess the toughest part is getting from there back to normal flight, although he can use a dive to gain airspeed as he gets away. If the summit had been a small plateau which he could have landed on fully, getting going again might've been a different story. But they've certainly come a long way since the old Puma buses I worked on!
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't realise helicopters could get to those altitudes. Something like a third of the sea-level air density or something at Everest summit? So you've got a third of the oxygen to run the engine and presumably a struggle to physically move enough air to keep the helicopter up.

Is this the time to mention boiling eggs up there? I don't like the white all runny. It would grind my gears.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honey! (No, not you!).
So Shaft tips me off that honey makes a good substitute for sugar in coffee. I actually found it's delicious in coffee. Getting the amount just right gives a certain smoky sweetness that was actually causing me to increase my coffee intake.

All was fine for a couple of weeks. But then I started to get some quite acute pains in my lower abdomen, quickly progressing to sweats, very unpleasant hypersensitivity all over, and feeling totally drained.

I wasn't sure what it was at first, and was imagining all kinds of nasty possibilities. I then had a couple of days without using honey, as I was finding it a bit too expensive a substitute for more than the occasional treat. Et voila, the symptoms started to rapidly clear. Still hadn't realised what the problem was, until the next coffee with honey, and bam! The symptoms instantly began to return, even as I drank that coffee.

Gone again now. So I simultaneously discovered something that I loved, and had to abandon it. Gears ground Sad
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Honey! (No, not you!).

Not sure why you want to use honey. The taste? What about Glodden Syrup?
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:

Is this the time to mention boiling eggs up there? I don't like the white all runny. It would grind my gears.


Indeed and as for a proper cup of tea, forget it. It'd be easier to operate a distillery up there though, at least, it'd be easier to distil stuff . . . power/transport etc. might be a tad trickier.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was in an attempt to cut down on refined sugar intake. Thought it might be a little healthier.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:

Is this the time to mention boiling eggs up there? I don't like the white all runny. It would grind my gears.


Indeed and as for a proper cup of tea, forget it. It'd be easier to operate a distillery up there though, at least, it'd be easier to distil stuff . . . power/transport etc. might be a tad trickier.


Just ship it out by helicopter? Smile
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 02 Jul 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:

Just ship it out by helicopter? Smile


It'd literally be boiling when it arrived, just not particularly hot!
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