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PostPosted: 21:23 - 28 Nov 2014    Post subject: Stupid question about the rear suspension Reply with quote

My NC has about 28K miles and its usual cheap/shitty suspension has gotten a lot worse in the last few weeks. It wallows and clunks over bumps. Question: is it normal for rear shocks to start going around this many miles? Should I be looking for something else? I don't see anything amiss back there, but I'm not sure what I should be looking for. I'm asking because I'm heading off this weekend with the other half (we'll be at the NEC on Sunday), so I'm wondering if this is dangerous or just normal deterioration that I should get looked at at the next service.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 28 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rear suspension on my Nc700 is shit now. 27K miles but it started to be crap at 20K
Dealer took some photos and I'm waiting for decision if it will be replaced under warranty.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 28 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say it would be dangerous to ride on a shock that has 27k miles on. It may need a refurb' though, I doubt that it's dangerous as it's still functional, just not at the standard it could be working at.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 28 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rear suspension on my Nc700 is shit now. 27K miles but it started to be crap at 20K
Dealer took some photos and I'm waiting for decision if it will be replaced under warranty.


For the dealer to take some photos and take it further this tells me it's a bit strange - general wear and tear and being defective are too different things, general wear and year at 25k miles is exactly that but for the dealer to go further I reckon there's more to it ..
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 28 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience the Hondas I've owned have had pretty good rear shocks. My CBR was fine at 32,000 when I bought it, and fine at near 50,000 when it died. My NTV was fine on 77,000 when I bought it at fine at 100,000 when it died. By "it" I mean the engine in both instances, suspension was still fine and dandy.

I don't think I can say the same for any of the other bikes I've owned!

Relevance to your question... Ummm... Not much. Sorry.
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PostPosted: 01:18 - 29 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wouldn't say it would be dangerous to ride on a shock that has 27k miles on. It may need a refurb' though, I doubt that it's dangerous as it's still functional, just not at the standard it could be working at.


Until you hit a bump that bottoms it out on the way to the NEC that unloads you both. If its not right and you know it isn't, don't take the chance. Get a bus or something. The next service will do absolutely nothing to fix it if it's knackered, it's knackered. Buy another shock and have confidence that it is ok and won't kill you and her indoors.

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PostPosted: 08:56 - 29 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, everyone. The suspension is suboptimal, but not unridable. I'm still using it for commuting and my wife says she notices it being worse, but only barely. We'll take it to the NEC (about two hours from me), but I'll get the shock changed in the next few weeks.

I assumed something like this was going to happen. The warranty expired last week...
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 29 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be inclined to send a letter to Honda, especially as it doesn't seem a unique problem. They will probably ignore you, but they may not.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 29 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't seem right,but have they told you to stop riding it?
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 29 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Supermoto_Fan wrote:
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Rear suspension on my Nc700 is shit now. 27K miles but it started to be crap at 20K
Dealer took some photos and I'm waiting for decision if it will be replaced under warranty.


For the dealer to take some photos and take it further this tells me it's a bit strange - general wear and tear and being defective are too different things, general wear and year at 25k miles is exactly that but for the dealer to go further I reckon there's more to it ..



It seems it's not just regular wear and tear. That's why they took pictures.
They have courier NC700 bikes with about 100K miles without this problem.

Seems like taking pillions kills the shock. Mine got some damaged rubbers apparently. The rubber that protects the shock when bottomed down is gone Shocked
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 29 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to put your wife on a diet if she is killing rear shocks.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 29 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

C1REX wrote:
Seems like taking pillions kills the shock. Mine got some damaged rubbers apparently. The rubber that protects the shock when bottomed down is gone Shocked


Ah, yeah, that sounds like my issue. I take my (very petite!) wife on the back at least once or twice a week. I think it's time to start shopping for a new bike...
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 29 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look at Hagon shocks. Cost much less than a new bike.
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PostPosted: 02:24 - 30 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

ask someone like revs racing if it's rebuildable, some new oil and a different spring will sort it out.
If the spring is too light for 2 up riding the oil will have done a lot of work
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 01 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda changed the rear shock on my NC700 at around 25k under warranty, no quibbles - they took photos at the dealership and it was approved for warranty repair straight away.
I'm not sure why taking photos of the shock helped their decision though...
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 01 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly worrying these new honda's..
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 01 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:
C1REX wrote:
Seems like taking pillions kills the shock. Mine got some damaged rubbers apparently. The rubber that protects the shock when bottomed down is gone Shocked


Ah, yeah, that sounds like my issue. I take my (very petite!) wife on the back at least once or twice a week. I think it's time to start shopping for a new bike...


What bike(s) are you thinking of? I've been using an SV650 for the last few days and it's made me remember how much fun revs are (although the NC has way more torque low-down)
I'm seriously considering taking a CB650F for a spin, but the NC700 has been such a reliable workhorse and it's so cheap to run it makes me think I might be a bit daft to change it. I can't really afford 2 bikes, so if I change the NC I need one that does my commute reliably and is a bit fun too.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 01 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What bike(s) are you thinking of? I've been using an SV650 for the last few days and it's made me remember how much fun revs are (although the NC has way more torque low-down)
I'm seriously considering taking a CB650F for a spin, but the NC700 has been such a reliable workhorse and it's so cheap to run it makes me think I might be a bit daft to change it. I can't really afford 2 bikes, so if I change the NC I need one that does my commute reliably and is a bit fun too.


Yeah, similar. I have no garage and couldn't afford two bikes, and the NC has been so reliable. It really is a very, very good commuter.

But with the kids moved out, my wife and I are doing a lot more weekend trips. I spend at least 20% of my time two-up, and the NC just isn't great for that. I need something that I can commute and tour on.

After the NEC show, I'm looking again at the BMW F800 GT. It's the same weight as the NC, not much wider, the fuel economy and range figures are very similar and it has that low-maintenance belt drive. The two of us also fit really well on it (my wife said it was the most comfortable one we tried). The other baby tourers I've looked at seem to have more drawbacks than this one. The main drawback with the BMW is that I'm a long way from the nearest dealer (about 45 minutes on the road) and the price (probably £10K for a new one, with the features I'd want). Maybe with the (slightly tweaked) 2015s coming out, I can find a good used or pre-reg one.

I'll probably wait until Spring, though, so I still need to get that shock fixed. The bike was OK on the ride to the show, but we were mostly on the M40, so not very challenging. When we did go off the motorway (to a pub/hotel in Great Tew), it felt really wallowy.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 01 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

esullivan wrote:
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What bike(s) are you thinking of? I've been using an SV650 for the last few days and it's made me remember how much fun revs are (although the NC has way more torque low-down)
I'm seriously considering taking a CB650F for a spin, but the NC700 has been such a reliable workhorse and it's so cheap to run it makes me think I might be a bit daft to change it. I can't really afford 2 bikes, so if I change the NC I need one that does my commute reliably and is a bit fun too.


Yeah, similar. I have no garage and couldn't afford two bikes, and the NC has been so reliable. It really is a very, very good commuter.

But with the kids moved out, my wife and I are doing a lot more weekend trips. I spend at least 20% of my time two-up, and the NC just isn't great for that. I need something that I can commute and tour on.

After the NEC show, I'm looking again at the BMW F800 GT. It's the same weight as the NC, not much wider, the fuel economy and range figures are very similar and it has that low-maintenance belt drive. The two of us also fit really well on it (my wife said it was the most comfortable one we tried). The other baby tourers I've looked at seem to have more drawbacks than this one. The main drawback with the BMW is that I'm a long way from the nearest dealer (about 45 minutes on the road) and the price (probably £10K for a new one, with the features I'd want). Maybe with the (slightly tweaked) 2015s coming out, I can find a good used or pre-reg one.

I'll probably wait until Spring, though, so I still need to get that shock fixed. The bike was OK on the ride to the show, but we were mostly on the M40, so not very challenging. When we did go off the motorway (to a pub/hotel in Great Tew), it felt really wallowy.


Belt drive eh, my friend just bought a Harley Sportster 1200 and I noticed it had a belt drive on it - he says that they claim it's good for 70k miles (!) - why the hell don't they fit belt drive to all commuter-type bikes?! That's definitely a big selling point for high mileage riders. (Somewhat ironically, his HD will only see the road if it's a weekend and the sky is blue so it does minimal mileage)
F800 sounds perfect, looks lovely too (maybe a bit _too_ lovely for London commuting) - unfortunately it's out of my price range, but it sounds spot-on for your needs. (That said, I've just noticed an 'approved used' one for £6,994, registered May '14, so practically new and with warranty)
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Loved the belt drive on my 305. Quiet, clean, what's not to like?
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 01 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
I'd be inclined to send a letter to Honda, especially as it doesn't seem a unique problem. They will probably ignore you, but they may not.


Honda replaced the tyres on my NC after it suffered from quick wear. Their warranty seems to be very good.
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 03 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update on this: I took the bike to the dealer last night after work. They agreed the rear was soft. We took it into the showroom to see better and you could clearly see oil was leaking from shock, so it's going to need to be replaced. The service guy and one of the mechanics from the shop didn't recommend the genuine Honda part because it is expensive (£400) and "clearly rubbish, as you've discovered." The mechanic says he rarely sees Hagons come back. The one for my bike is adjustable (the Honda one isn't) and only £250-ish.

In the meantime, the head sales guy puts on his lid, asks for my keys and goes off with the bike for a while. He comes back and asks when the bike went out of warranty (a couple of weeks ago) and says it's worth asking "nice Mr. Honda". So they took photos and are putting in a warranty claim. I'll hear back in a couple of days.

So, do you all agree with the mechanic? Is Hagon good? I don't want to spend £400 or more on something like an Ohlin since I still plan on changing bikes in the next 6-12 months, but any other recommendations? They'll gladly install anything I bring or order whatever I want.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 03 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hagon on my divvy isn't brilliant, no idea what miles it's done but the bike is on 50k. I've been meaning to look into the cost of a refurb for a while now!

My dad has Wilbur shocks front and back on his R1100s and really rates them highly. No clue on the cost though.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 03 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hagons are a fine replacement for OEM's if you are looking for a replacement. Not so much if you are looking at a huge improvement.

I put one on my fazer hack, 2nd hand off ebay for pennies and it does the job fine.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 03 Dec 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

andys675 wrote:
ask someone like revs racing if it's rebuildable, some new oil and a different spring will sort it out.
If the spring is too light for 2 up riding the oil will have done a lot of work


This +1.

I'm picking up my Wilber's shock for my KMX125 this week. From what I've read the KMX is just another shitty 125 that's supposed to have a very poor bouncy and underdamped budget shock. But I'm still having a nice shock for mine and don't care if it's too good for the bike either!
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