Would you have overtaken at the junction?

[Fisty]

From this thread https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=297471

I'm genuinely interested on how many folks here would have pulled the same manoeuvre? And why / why not?
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[UrbanRacer]

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I would not have done the same.

Why?

Because the chances are very great indeed that the person you are overtaking will turn and run you over......
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[Nb]

I wouldnt of but i am/was a very cautious rider, i had a rule in my head that said no overtaking at junctions but i didnt do much filtering anyway. I can fully understand why those that ride in very congested areas do it though.
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[Tungtvann]

Yes, on the back wheel, flicking the V with flames coming out of my cans.

[notbike]

No, in that video it was a long vehicle at a junction, two red flags there. Might have chanced it with a car, nothing van sized or above though. And that's only if the traffic was absolutely stopped dead for some reason (traffic lights or a gridlock ahead etc). Had a few similar scares back when I was on L plates and knew nothing of this sort of danger before. Now I avoid it like the plague.

All you gotta do is wait a few seconds to get past the junction and you can fuck off right past them with at least a little bit more safety.

That's if they don't suddenly decide to barge you off the road by moving into the opposite side of the road without an indicator for whatever reason. It fucking happened to me twice before lol about to filter past em and they just do the most unexpected maneuver. One of those big "wtf are you even doing" moments.

I'm rambling again because I'm sleepy, I hope this post makes sense. I rewrote it about 4 times. And now I keep editing it. brain pls go.

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[notbike]

[weasley]

I do filter in traffic like that, but selectively. I'd have done that bus but would have held back on the truck, because of what might/did happen. Also, the truck appears to not pull away to keep up with the traffic going up the road, another suggestion that maybe they aren't going to.
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[covent.gardens]

I've voted Yes because I know there's a small chance I would have.

I'd have been happy to overtake everything up until the truck. So now we're at the point where we're looking to overtake the truck, but traffic's started moving again, and there's a junction on the right. So I'd normally stay behind. But, I'm seeing the junction and there's nothing waiting to pull out from the side road to the major, and that truck really doesn't look like it's going to turn, and isn't indicating. Finally there's a pedestrian still crossing the mouth of the junction, which might be the final clue that the truck won't suddenly swing a right. I'd have been wrong though.

"I was stuck in traffic. I decided last minute and didn't even look". He's done a sudden manoeuvre without looking or indicating. The OP I feel has been a little unlucky, but could have avoided the accident by sticking rigidly to the rules - I'm sure we all bend the rules occasionally to make progress when we think it's safe (when we think the risk is very low, but not entirely non-existent, as there is no such thing as non-existent risk when on a motorbike), this just went a bit tits up. Shared blame.

[MC]

Your all bull$hitters angels. Be honest, you've all overtaken past junctions going a lot faster.

In that video the junction wouldn't stop me, it was purely that the lorry was moving off. If traffic's stationary then it's less risky filtering past*

*unless on the other side of it is a u-turning van... obviously
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[cormac83]

I would have! You were not going at speed and the guy failed to indicate.
Unfortunately I do thing its a tough one to call but if he had indicated you would have had time to react.
Not sure the courts will feel the same thou.

Alot of people here would have done this many times without even thinking, hindsight is a bitch.
The one think i sometimes do is to move further across into the other lane. Obvs if there is no oncoming traffic, i'm sure many will disagree!
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I wouldn't , don't fancy carrying out an impromptu inspection of the lorry's under carriage halfway through my commute
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[recman]

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Where's the 'uhhhh..yeah,no,maybe' option?

I've made unwise decisions and got away with it luckily
plus the guys suffering and learnt his lesson so don't want to
point the finger or rub it in.

Watching the vid I could see the truck edging out towards the centreline
as he approached (from abt 0:15secs onwards)
this usually gets my spidey sense tingling

OK, the truck didn't indicate but rider wasnt helping himself either
My guess (and that's all it is)
Is he saw the oncoming traffic clear and his attention went on this
(Go! Go! Go!)
losing focus on the immediate threats
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[Major Doss]

All about the bus for me. I would have, if the bus hadn't been there. The Lemmings love to leap out in front of those, and buses love to let vehicles out. How can you overtake a slow moving bus if you cannot see around it?
However, if you didn't filter across junctions in London, you wouldn't get anywhere. But filter with extreme caution and prejudice when around local services such as the dustcarts. 50/50 bum luck you can call it, but that road cleared quick, so a moments patience would have been enough.

TL;DR Busted collarbone 20 years ago says I did the same potatoness. Twitchy A...hole nowadays when filtering.

[Val]

[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

Since getting an S59, no. Before that, possibly.
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[Sable]

Yes. London innit.

After finding where my horn is last year, I do give a little toot toot in situations like that though.

[Rogerborg]

[Baffler186]

I'm glad this vid was posted (not glad it happened though) because it reinforces the fact that things like this can and do happen. It's sometimes easy to assume it's all safe and fluffy if nothing (yet) has happened to you personally. I'm going to be honest and say I fell into the trap of thinking I was a better RoadCrafter than I actually was, and it took a near-miss for me to realise that I'm a vulnerable road user and not to take unnecessary risks.

In response to the question, I'd not have done this maneuver past a large vehicle, just because I'm more weary of big wheels, reduced visibility and reduced hearing. Maybe I would have swerved to my right instead of trying to break, but who knows.
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