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Meegas
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: 1/4" or 3/8" sockets ? Reply with quote

Hi Guys,

I want to service my bike soon, that includes changing oil, oil filter, brake pads etc. which will require getting the correct torque with a torque wrench.

I am just not sure which sockets I would need for small fasteners such as the one on the engine oil cover part, 1/4" or 3/8" ?

Cheers Wink
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A 3/8" set should cover most basic things on a motorbike. Most sets are 8-22mm. Just buy extra sockets as and when you need them. Engine covers tend to be 6mm heads.
You can never have too many tools tho Wink
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Start off with a decent 3/8 drive set, and a set of combination spanners - buy additional bits and pieces as you need them.

The only extra tools you might need to start with, would be something to undo the wheel nuts, and perhaps a 'G' Cramp for retracting caliper pistons.

If you have a canister-type oil filter, a chain wrench would be useful too.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fisty wrote:
You can never have too many tools tho Wink

It doesn't matter how many you have, you won't be able to find a 8mm / 10mm / 12mm spanner or socket when you need one. Razz
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm buying this, good starting point, great value for money, 2 year guarantee. Has 14 sockets from 4-16mm. I read somewhere on the forum that you mostly use 8-14mm ones so should be fine Smile

https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/40-Piece-Tool-Set/40-8684

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PostPosted: 09:22 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Axle bolts will need bigger sockets than 16mm.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

both & torque wrench(s) to suit.
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

27mm nut on my rear wheel


17mm on the front

main sockets i use are 10 11 12 13mm

also just bought one of these

https://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb129/andyscooters/81RPSeL0ZRL__SL1500__zpse40e36a7.jpg

and a torque wrench
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meegas wrote:
I'm buying this, good starting point, great value for money, 2 year guarantee. Has 14 sockets from 4-16mm. I read somewhere on the forum that you mostly use 8-14mm ones so should be fine Smile

https://www.clasohlson.com/uk/40-Piece-Tool-Set/40-8684

Thank you for the replies, helpful as always! Thumbs Up


That's what I would call a 'Household DIY' set, 1/4 drive.

Not heavy-duty enough for motorcycle servicing, IMHO.

This One would be better.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Axle bolts will need bigger sockets than 16mm.


Luckily I will not be touching the axles Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll need to loosen the rear axle when adjusting the chain tension. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:40 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my bike, you have to remove the rear wheel to change the pads!
17mm Bolt Head, 22mm Nut.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:


That's what I would call a 'Household DIY' set, 1/4 drive.

Not heavy-duty enough for motorcycle servicing, IMHO.

This One would be better.


Are you sure? The sockets them self are exactly the same on both sets, it's just the number that is different.
However It might just be worth getting the bigger one for the future.

Taught2BCautious wrote:
On my bike, you have to remove the rear wheel to change the pads!
17mm Bolt Head, 22mm Nut.


Might be the same scenario on my YZF but I'm only going to change the front as the back still have quite of bit of life left in them
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're still going to need to adjust the chain. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can afford a little more, I'd go for one of the Halfords Professional sets - which, as usual, are on half price at the moment.

This one is £20 and should do most of what you need, with 9 - 20mm sockets.

or This one goes a bit smaller, but looses the 20mm.

There are various other options depending upon your finances and how many other tools you have.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
If you can afford a little more, I'd go for one of the Halfords Professional sets - which, as usual, are on half price at the moment.

This one is £20 and should do most of what you need, with 9 - 20mm sockets.

or This one goes a bit smaller, but looses the 20mm.

There are various other options depending upon your finances and how many other tools you have.


The £30 set does look like a worthwile investment, reviews praise the quality of the product. I think I'll go for that.

And as for tightening the chain, I'll just buy an extra, larger, socket at some point.
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a bit over £30 you can get a 94 piece metric socket set that does 4-32mm or something, has a very good range of allen and trx keys as well as some long sockets, extension bars etc.

If on a budget for sockets, I'd get one of these sets that upgrade from there.
Quality isn't amazing, but is good enough and they come in 6 point.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
For a bit over £30 you can get a 94 piece metric socket set that does 4-32mm or something, has a very good range of allen and trx keys as well as some long sockets, extension bars etc.

If on a budget for sockets, I'd get one of these sets that upgrade from there.
Quality isn't amazing, but is good enough and they come in 6 point.


i was gonna write a follow up for the 94 pc socket set, its identical to the Lidl set that they had on sale. I have both the ebay and lidl 94pc set.

The quality in the metal is massive. I sheared an extension bar trying to get a truck wheel nut off! Use the lidl extension bar and it did it with ease! Also broke the 21mm socket - erm with an impact gun Embarassed
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

still not a bad set overall

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/94PC-1-2-1-4-SOCKET-SET-SCREWDRIVER-BITS-/190370490392?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c52f72818
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure that plenty of people will disagree with me, but when I first started buying my own tools I built up a good range of both 1/2" drive sockets, and 1/4" drive sockets with ratchet's T-bar handles, long and sort breaker bars, and extension bars.

I found initially that combined with a good spanner set, I could get buy without needing a full 3/8" drive set as well. There's a lot of low torque fasteners on bikes, so 1/4" drive is the most useful size generally, unless your removing wheels, engines, shocks, swingarms or Fork yokes etc. Then 1/2" is the king.

I later got a handful of 3/8" sockets and a small stubby palm ratchet that I found useful for certain things, removing spark plugs for example.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I'm sure that plenty of people will disagree with me, but when I first started buying my own tools I built up a good range of both 1/2" drive sockets, and 1/4" drive sockets with ratchet's T-bar handles, long and sort breaker bars, and extension bars.

I found initially that combined with a good spanner set, I could get buy without needing a full 3/8" drive set as well. There's a lot of low torque fasteners on bikes, so 1/4" drive is the most useful size generally, unless your removing wheels, engines, shocks, swingarms or Fork yokes etc. Then 1/2" is the king.

I later got a handful of 3/8" sockets and a small stubby palm ratchet that I found useful for certain things, removing spark plugs for example.


Agreed, decent 1/2" set to start and the cheapest 1/4" you can find (although nowadays there are reasonable enough quality ones for little money). 1/4" sets are only really any use for lightweight type applications, it's very rare I'll use anything larger than a 10mm socket with a 1/4" wrench.
I don't actually possess any standard 3/8" sockets just a couple of wrenches and deep reach sockets, although in my defence much of my tinkerings were done on cars in my earlier years so I a 1/2" set was more useful than a 3/8".

When buying tools I've always found it better in the long run to buy the best quality I could afford, even if it meant buying a smaller set than I'd like and then adding to it later.

(Might go buy me a 3/8" standard set later today. Thinking It would have it's uses and tools are sooo cheap here Mr. Green )
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would think that the 3/8" set from Halfords would be better quality?
Also I have to admit, I have no experience with mechanics and this whole 1/2", 3/8" and 1/4" is a mystery to, what does it refer to, what difference does it make? Fell a bit silly asking you all this but better to ask the way than go astray I figured.
I also found this torque wrench to go with the sockets, seems good value and good enough in terms of quality and really low range which I need:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sealey-8-inch-2-24nm-1-47-17-70lb-ft-Micrometer/dp/B000RO1ZCG/ref=sr_1_2?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1422110597&sr=1-2&keywords=low+range+torque+wrench+3%2F8#customerReviews

Any thoughts guys?
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
If you can afford a little more, I'd go for one of the Halfords Professional sets - which, as usual, are on half price at the moment.

This one is £20 and should do most of what you need, with 9 - 20mm sockets.

or This one goes a bit smaller, but looses the 20mm.

There are various other options depending upon your finances and how many other tools you have.


Looks like the sockets are 12 point which isn't ideal - I'd be tempted with the 94 piece set mentioned instead Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 24 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had/used various of those 94 piece socket sets - for the money you won't get better if you don't have a decent range of tools already.
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