12 Step Addiction Programs

[Sun Wukong]

So, what do you guys think about this.

Poll for those anonymous opinions, and please post any interesting support or criticism.

It's interesting, but it also has a lot of negative press lately and does involve a lot of religious content.

Also, it seems to label absolutely everything as addictive behaviour that you should abstain from. Which is a bit odd.

[RhynoCZ]

Well, my mate, drug user, did ''re-hab'' 7 times now, and is still a heavy user.

If the person does not want to change, nothing will ever help. So, whatever you do, ask yourself if you want to change. Definitely do not go into anything just because it seems right or people around told you that you should.
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[RhynoCZ]

[chris-red]

I believe they are all very 'Gody' and a lot of it says using drug/booze/whatever is not your fault and blaming it on a higher power.

Personally I think that is bollocks you are responsible for your own actions.


I have no actual experience with them however so I maybe wrong.
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[Iain.]

I wouldn't go for one myself...but if someone else feels that it works to get them off whatever negative crap they've got going on in their life, then who am I to criticize?

[andym]

[pike]

Many many years ago I went to a AA meeting, seemed to be drinking stories and inflated egos. Certainly wasn't for me but I know a few folks where AA and GA has really helped them.

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[Wave2k]

To be cured first the person has to WANT to be cured.

Smoking
Drugs
Booze
Sex
weight loss

My mother smoked for 30 years, tried several times to give up to no avail, then finally one day she stopped and never smoked again, no gimmicky patches or anything.
Because she finally wanted to.

Same goes for the fat fucks, ive watched countless tv shows where the 50 stone people say that wanna lose weight, then keep getting caught eating on the sly.
The people that actually do it, do it because they genuinely want to make a change.

The best therapist, rehab hospital is useless unless the person is actually committed and not just pretending to be.
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[Robster]

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[hellkat]

I reckon its kind of a bit of all your poll questions, really.

I've only ever been to one meeting, and that was by invitation from someone I know who was celebrating being sober for a year (my tiresome ginger ex, actually, who was my partner at the time). It was okay, but I wasn't the one having to go every day/week/month. I was just the one to whom he came home and bragged/preached/bitched about it.

Living with someone on a 12 step program is almost as tedious as actually going to the meetings anyway. There are support programs for family and partners, but I was too up myself to bother with the co-dependent bullshit: I wasn't the one with the problem, I had a life and I lived it whilst my partner was busy getting on the piss.

It's not so much that they are "God-y" : I don't perceive it as being religion-based but rather that it's humanity-based. They tend to encourage a belief in a higher power. You can make your own personal higher power whatever you like. If its a tree that you sit under and go "Ommmmm" and get your peace from, or a picture of a supernova that you have on the wall ... then that's no business of anybody's except yours. The discussion is about your "higher power" but you never get asked to specify what that is, unless you want to, in the sharing environment. Ah, the "sharing",...there's a whole subject all to itself

There is a bit of reliance upon a regular "prayer" but you don't actually have to attend and "do praying" like you do with the Sallies., like going to a whole mass. If you want to kneel down beside your bed every day and spend a couple of minutes there, fine, but otherwise there is nothing stopping you from a moment of quiet contemplation at the bus stop.

But you do (and I really do mean DO) have to want to "stop" whatever the addictive behaviour is. Cos otherwise falling off the wagon is pretty much par for the course. Everybody thinks they learn the Steps in a few months and then can do it to suit themselves. No, you can't. I've seen it. You really do have to live it. You can tell yourself "I want to stop boozing/drugs" but ... if you are still at the stage of telling everybody else that you want to stop, then you probably aren't really ready to stop. You are ready to TELL PEOPLE you want to stop.

I find most "quitting" behaviour involves a solo commitment, you give up fags, booze, food, drugs, gambling, because something inside you goes "You know what ... ? REALLY, I've had enough of doing this." I've done that with the fags, and I occasionally do it with the grub, but the grub keeps coming back to haunt me, a bit like those ads where the fags follow the girl down the road when she's jogging. I'm not ready to give up food (but for anyone who is, I know that Weightwatchers really does work, I once lost 4 stone on it, years ago) ... and both booze and drugs I can take or leave (although I could murder a joint right now )

And whether you can do that solo or if you feel you need the help of a community such as a 12 step group is entirely a choice that only the person quitting can make.

The time input is really entirely up to you. I have seen people who go religiously (pardon the pun) every single day or once a week. You do need to commit quite heavily to it at the start, till you can get your head round what path it is that you are supposed to be travelling.

I think you have to go there and immerse yourself in the culture of 12-step to see how you respond to it's particular sub-sets of personality types and behaviours.

Don't set yourself a time frame.
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[Tarmacsurfer]

Gods damnit. Now I'll have this in my head all night.

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[Rogerborg]

If blaming Satan and all his little wizards is what it takes to get weak willed cult-of-victimhood spackers on the wagon, why not?
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Penn & Teller showed me 12 step is Religious "Bullshit", who are you to call them liars?
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[Sun Wukong]

I'll be honest then.

I went in there, naively, looking for help with PTSD symptoms.

They then spent the whole time convincing me I was addicted to damn near everything. Even suggesting hitting the gym moderately to moderate mood was considered "cross addiction", as was dieting.



Fuck me kiddies, you know how to start a party.

[hellkat]

[hellkat]

You've started me off now ...

I have to say that despite having been on the receiving end of AA preaching, it's not actually that bad of a thing, and it really works for A LOT of people.

By definition, it has to be a very selfish transaction, because you simply have to invest the time and belief in your emotional self. I have seen people who learn to walk away from the dangerous behaviour of those on the way to falling off the wagon, in order to protect themselves.

So [whatev]-Anonymous people can be rather tedious, they are becoming trained to think about their own needs instead of hiding them behind a bottle. I always had trouble with the fact that that I was perceived as the square peg amongst these round holes of social misfits simply because I *don't* get lashed off my face when I get upset about what mummy did to me.

But they cluster together in a self-help-each-other sort of way, and it can be a nice little community if you choose to stick with their ways to help yourself fend off the mind monsters.
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[Sun Wukong]

Just for those interested in finding less god with their better functioning liver...

https://www.smartrecovery.org.uk

Has online meetings as well.

I guess my biggest disappointment with their approach yesterday was to blanket label "everything" an addiction. No such thing as abuse, all abuse = addiction.

They wanted facebook nuked, any friend who every drank or did any drugs nuked, the lot. Seriously skew whiff.

This SMART one looks much saner

[Rogerborg]

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What do you do if you get addicted to 12 step programmes?
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