Mancave advice

[totalllama82]

It would seem the man cave isn't quite so happy in this weather (icy and cold). There is a lot of condensation appearing on the bike and other bits and bobs within.

I presume some kind of insulation is the best bet to protect against this. What are the options? Its a 12 x 6 T&G shed with a felt roof. Currently it has no lining whatsoever.

Where do I begin?
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[robs321]

https://www.celotex.co.uk/

[totalllama82]

I'll quite happily apply anything myself (that link looks expensive!). At a guess some plywood sheeting on the joists with some insulation in between would be the best or is there something better?
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[Chuffin Nora]

What size is the studwork?
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[spriddler]

I've had a 12 x 8 T&G shed for 15 years - sides and roof insulated with approx. 1" thick polystyrene sheet (very cheap sheets of it from Wickes or B & Q) inside the frame timbers then hardboard over the walls but not the ceiling.
Never had any condensation and my lathe and pillar drill etc have no signs of rusting.
The shed cross bearers are on brick piers so the whole shed sits about 4" above ground level and I did put the polystyrene sheet under the floor as well.
https://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv326/spriddler/Parts%20and%20tools/CIMG4413.jpg
https://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv326/spriddler/FettlingandshedMar08005.jpg
https://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv326/spriddler/Parts%20and%20tools/FettlingandshedMar08004.jpg
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[WD Forte]

Yep
Insulation first for sure, the better you insulate the less you need to heat
I used this for my minibus/van because if its low bulk and it really helps
https://www.diy.com/departments/bq-loft-insulation-l75m-w600mm/182139_BQ.prd

I suggest you measure the internal area of the shed
go to your local B&Q/Wickes etc and see what they have,
its cost, area/£, bulk etc and make some choices

I'd give the fibreglass wool a miss for a shed though
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[totalllama82]

[Copycat73]

if you want rid of condensation leave open a window... all insulation does is keep it in.
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[totalllama82]

[Copycat73]

my window in the garage is hard fixed to a 100mm opening... as far as will go against the metal bars ... some times the fuel tanks condense water when there is a warming in atmospheric temperature,
at this point I start them up by morning its all gone out the open window.
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[totalllama82]

Interesting. So it's probably fair to assume that the temperature within your garage is roughly the same as the ambient outside temperature due to the fixed vent?
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[andym]

wouldn't it be possible to fit something similar this:
https://www.beststuff.co.uk/store/images/D/Flettner_2000.jpg
on the roof to help pull air through the shed?

[Copycat73]

[Copycat73]

[chris-red]

Put a load of cat litter in something like a pillow case, it should help too.
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[Just_James]

It depends what you want achieve and how much you want to spend.

Insulation alone isn't going to rid you of condensation, the warm air produced (particularly from running the bike or such) increases the airs ability to hold moisture and that moisture has to go somewhere. It finds its way to the coldest surface, usually windows as in cars this time of year.

A lot of houses these days suffer from condensation as they are heavily insulated but under ventilated. This is due to people wanting their houses as warm and energy efficient as possible so gaps are sealed, everything's double glazed and insulated etc. Older houses were able to 'breathe' as there were gaps everywhere, no loft insulation or even roofing felt so condensation wasn't a problem.

If you just want to avoid condensation, you need ventilation. Either open windows or fit cheap wall vents, whatever, but the more the better.

If you want it warm in there then insulation will obviously help and you could possibly put a greenhouse paraffin heater or similar in there too. Without suitable ventilation though, you will still get condensation, it will just form on the coldest surfaces.

IMHO

[Northern Monkey]

Get a dehumidifier for about £120. Run it for 6 hours a day on a timer to circulate and dry the air
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[2 litre]

Ive put some of this on the inside of my shed roof, there's a difference in how white my shed roof is to the one next to it's roof.

https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Thermal-Insulation-Foil-Roll-600mmx8m/p/210022

[totalllama82]

[mailee]

Ideally you want an air gap between the outer layer of the shed and the frame of about 1". Then a breathable membrane over the frame. Between the framing 2" insulation (polystyrene sheet/celotex etc) then a vapour barrier on the inside of the frame followed by your sheet lining. In the roof space you should have at least a 2" gap under the roof panels open to the outside air and then another 2" of insulation, followed by a vapour barrier and the sheet lining. This will then make the shed well insulated and avoid the condensation problem. This will help to keep the shed warm in winter with a little heating applied and cool int he summer. I know all this as I have built a few summer houses/sheds/wooden workshops in the past for customers. HTH.

[totalllama82]

[Raksha]

my friend hS his shed lined with thick insulation... but his ward roleplay roitswargamesroleplayt the kinky room....I seen that one to......
but worked for him I think he dose have a air vent fan he got if a van and installed when he made the fake chimly on the shed..
he also has full electricity and heating in there as well but given how much hes got in there intoy soldiers I dont blame him

[mailee]

Yes, this one was a garden workshop full of cast iron machines and tools so had to be warm and dry. It was using the previous methods.

[ADSrox0r]

I have a shitty old asbestos single garage and everything gets nice and soggy with the old condensation. The bike sits on thick rubber matting to help keep the moisture rising from the concrete under it and when it gets particularly parky I have a 80watt bar heater that I plonk under the bike to let warm air rise in and around it.

I used to have a decent cover for it too but the fucking mice chewed big holes in it, little shits. I think they've got the hint now though, three rat traps in there and I was catching/killing at least 5 a day for a while. Can't be that fucking cold in there if every fieldmouse for 5 miles around shacks up in it.

Just don't be one of these berks that fires it up for 10 minutes every day to let it 'tick over'. That just encourages condensation inside the engine.
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