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rizo-sri200
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: H4 Bulbs, Relays and Amperage Reply with quote

Will my CB-1's Headlight wiring take a 100/80w bulb?

just so i dont fuck my bikes wiring and also is there a fuse for the headlights?

many thanks
Jon
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

It may or may not take it, but if you are unsure get a relay or 2 and use the current wiring as triggers for the relay, then wire a heavier duty cable from the battery to the relay to provide power, and the same grade wire from the relay to the headlight.

Other point to watch out for is melting parts of the headlight, possibly even the reflector.

Years ago I ran a 100/80 bulb in my FZ750 but that melted the wiring to the ignition switch.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

most PVC cable on bikes is:

1mm - 10 amps rating

or

1.5mm - 15 amps rating



so if you want to run a higher current, you need a higher rated cable, or you cable will fry like keiths
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Further point is to check what the current wiring goes through. On the FZ for example the full current for the headlight and a fair few other circuits goes through the ignition switch.

100w 12V bulb will pull 8~9 amps.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 02:46 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If in doubt, fit relays.
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rizo-sri200
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

on the subject of amperage?

anyone know what the amperage of the battery is and what its charging/supply current is?

Thanks a Bunch
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

There will be a number on the side of the battery like YS9-B, the number is the amp rating.

Your bike PROBABLY has a 9A battery as it has an electric foot.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

CB1 uses a YTX9BS battery according to the M&P catalogue I have here, so that will be 9ah.

Japanese market bikes often do not have particularly great charging systems.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Power = V x I

so Current = power/voltage

voltage is 12v.

so a 80/100 watt bulb will draw a maximum of 6.6 and 8.3 amps respectivley.

But, your switches may not necessarily cope with this and fry their contacts. It is better to just fit the relays, they are not expensive.

I have done you a circuit diagram, relays are readily available and terminal numbering is universal (sizes differ). The colours may not be right for your bike. Use a 15A fuse (I use blades as they are easily bought from garages). You can probably get all of the stuff you need as a 'relay kit' from Halfords. Alternativley do a google for 'Vehicle Wiring Products'.

You should be able to fit the whole lot in your headlamp shell so you just have the two, heavier wires (live and earth) to run back to the battery. I usually take earths right back to the battery rather than bolting to the frame, one less thing to troubleshoot.
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use this system on my MZ to power 200 watts of main beam in the form of CIBIE projector spots Shocked The way forwards when cars don't dip their lights Mr. Green Karma
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rizo-sri200
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks You Stinkywheely

I know what im doing today then...
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkywheely wrote:
I have done you a circuit diagram, relays are readily available and terminal numbering is universal (sizes differ).


Note that although the numbering might well be universal, there are relays with the same pin patterns as the standard ones, but with the pins differently numbered (used in some Maserati cars for example, and a total pain in the ass).

All the best

Keith
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