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stranger12
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PostPosted: 03:04 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: oil change Reply with quote

Hi All,

I changed the r6 oil and managed to go slightly above the max line on the dip stick .

would you drain it or leave it as it is ?

no issues with smoking or anything.

what is your view
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PostPosted: 04:21 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 things to clarify before I could offer an opinion:

1. Define 'slightly over'.
2. What is a 'deep stick' - is it a dipstick with an accent?
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PostPosted: 04:30 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdg wrote:

2. What is a 'deep stick' - is it a dipstick with an accent?


nah, that'd be Deep Steeeck....


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PostPosted: 10:45 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red bikes are OK with being slightly over filled. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

@groovylee, easy , I changed it Smile

I posted it at 2 am so half sleep.

if we imagine the dipstick marks(min to max) is 10 sections or parts , then the overfill is about 1-2 parts.

probably around 200cc
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

200cc over?

Get it out.

(btw, unless anyone has an identical dipstick to compare to your description, it's useless - next time use something more universal like mm, fractions of an inch, rabbit feet, etc.)
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

if 10mm then 2 mm , I will measure it again .

I don't want to open the oil pan bolt so may get a suction to suck it out.

what are the downside of too much oil ?
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you change the oil filter?

Did you soak the new oil filter with oil before installation?

If not,run the engine for five minutes,then shut the engine off,leave it for two minutes and then check the oil level again.

It is surprising how much a new oil filter will soak up,which is why I always recommend people to soak it first before installing.

Too much oil in the crankcase can cause engine breathing problems and may well blow by into the air box.I have seen air filters soaking wet by too much oil.

A young lady that I know took her Suzuki GS125 in for a simple service.Not long after getting her bike back,a puddle of oil would appear under the bike.She took the bike back to the shop and they suggested that it needed a rebore.Wanting a second opinion she asked if I would have a look,only to find about 250cc too much oil in the engine when we drained off the excess.When she went back to the bike shop,the first question they asked was when she wanted to book it in for the rebore job to be done.The look on their faces when she produced the bottle of excess oil was a picture.She has never trusted a bike shop again and now does the work on her own bike,with some guidance Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:

what are the downside of too much oil ?


In some machines, it can be worse than too little oil...

Can cause high crankcase pressure leading to blowby (as fizzer stated already) but it can also blow by the rings/valve stem seals and cause epic smokescreen effects - probably no real damage in that though. But if it blows through a breather or something and finds a comfy spot on your rear tyre......?

Not sure about your particular bike with this one - a higher than intended oil level can mean that you get the oil 'foaming'. This actually reduces it's ability to get where it needs to be (to the point of cavitation in the oil pump) causing wear/seizure in extreme cases.

'Soaking the oil filter' only really makes a difference with an uncased type IMO. If you have a metal can spin-on filter then just filling it with oil and chucking it on is plenty good enough. Of course, if the filter screws on horizontally then you'll throw oil everywhere - but hey, oil stops things rusting.

The most common thing I've seen in regards to overfilling the oil is that people look at the oil capacity (ignoring the fact it states 'with filter') and put that amount in without changing the filter... The specified capacity is also the FULL amount that will fit. It doesn't take into account the amount of oil that does come out when you drain it through the sump plug.

I don't get why you can't crack off the sump plug, drain the oil into a clean tray and then put the correct amount back in though.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
get yourself some clear tubing/ hose, the stuff for aquariums & the like is fine.
also get yourself a 25 or 50ml syringe from local chemist.
total cost around 3 or 4 quid.
you now have a good tool to suck up the excess, straight from the fill up point.
said tool is also excellent for reverse bleeding of brakes.

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PostPosted: 17:31 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTF, oil filters still being fitted dry !!!

Is there no mechanical sympathy left in the world?
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool will check it tonight, it is on my r6.

The filter was not changed and did run it for few mins and checked the level but at the time it was low on the stick . after re checking , I discovered it was way more than what it should have been.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 07 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stranger12 wrote:
cool will check it tonight, it is on my r6.

The filter was not changed and did run it for few mins and checked the level but at the time it was low on the stick . after re checking , I discovered it was way more than what it should have been.


Engine cold or warm when checking…?



straight after engine running oil will be low as it's in the engine, it will gradually drain into the sump again, but oil expands when warm.

my haynes manual says to run for a bit, wait a bit and check while still lukewarm. I've always been told to check when cold
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 08 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Q1: Are you screwing the cap/dipstick in, or just resting it on the top of the threads?

Q2: Which of the above are you supposed to be doing?
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 08 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

well I checked it when it was warm and 20 minutes after it .

and once cold.

I did drain the excess last night but did it the most stupid way . I did open the oil drain bolt slowly and wanted to open it just enough to let oil out slowly and then tighten it .

It didn't go as planned and started to pour our and blow the bolt away .
I stuck my finger in the hole to stop the oil pouring out while finding the bolt ..

Lost around 1.2 liters of oil after 200 miles . Evil or Very Mad

I think I had around 0.5 liter excess in there. No wonder at few points it felt as it is backing off when opening the throttle , maybe oil was pumping all the way through the filter . I will have to open it up

@Rogerborg, i insert it all the way but don't screw it in .

@pdg, rather not to re use the oil as it may be contaminated by debris etc , it is just me been over cautious.

how often do you change your oil by the way ? manual says every 4k with filter changed in 8k
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