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PostPosted: 11:57 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Grey Speed Cameras Reply with quote

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/stealth-speed-cameras-on-motorways-to-be-rolled-out-after-catching-700-drivers-in-two-months-9979101.html

I know there's been a bit of chat about this but didn't realise they were operational and caught nearly 700 drivers / riders on the M25. Any plans for these near you?

Know anyone who's been caught by one of these?

If they install these everywhere, I'll end up in jail...
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's lots more to come. Shhh! Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen people that have been flashed by them. Pretty easy to spot if you know where you are looking.

I think anything below 80 and you'll be fine. I've seen people fly through while I'm doing 70 and not get flashed.

On the m25 by Kent they are just after the signs 30.3 and 38.3 I think from memory.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the smart camera bit that worries me - ie they can vary its sensitivity down with the variable speed limit in operation at the time.

Problem with that is, those gantries are almost always incorrect to the point of being ridiculous - go 5 miles at 40mph with everyone else wizzing around at 80 because there's not a stitch of traffic on the road and not an accident in bloody sight. Then comes the NSL gantry again and you realise it was just because they've forgotten to switch the bloody gantry off after an incident in rush hour the morning before or something ridiculous.


Anyway, another point - how many people use the M25 J5-6 a day? Got to be tens of hundreds of thousands. And they're making out as if they're worthwhile because 500 people got caught in 2 months? Say whuuuu....
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been covered before on these 'new' smart (i.e. managed) motorways.

The recent modifications to the M62 near Leeds/Bradford restriction signs off (so NSL) yet cameras still active.

As in from last year, Highways chiefs reveal M62 cameras ARE working when signs are off....

Although I believe no-one has been fined (although feel free to prove that wrong).
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's as though they want us to take our numberplates off.

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PostPosted: 13:42 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long after the speed limit changes do the cameras go active at the new limit?
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrDonnyBrago wrote:
How long after the speed limit changes do the cameras go active at the new limit?


I'd imagine they just don't have a camera'd gantry as the first gantry - ie the first one won't have a camera, but the second one will.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrDonnyBrago wrote:
How long after the speed limit changes do the cameras go active at the new limit?

A few feet (based on my M62 and M1 experience). You go under the gantry with the new speed and the marked lines on the road to check distance travelled on the pictures are right there straight away. The cameras are behind the speed limit signs on the gantry.

Which has often made me think what happens if the software cocks up and turns off the speed limit sign but the camera still thinks a lower speed active? (I know I need to get out more). How would you prove you weren't speeding?

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PostPosted: 13:57 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrDonnyBrago wrote:
How long after the speed limit changes do the cameras go active at the new limit?



It was a while ago but I was once southbound on the M42, around 02.30 in the morning and I spotted the signs changing down to 30mph, (almost empty road). I slowed to 30 (bloody scary even with so few cars about) but every car that went past me was flashed, a few were just after the signs came on.

There were quite a few cases on pepipoo a few years ago about inconsistencies and faults with the system on that stretch of motorway.
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ask because my wife claims to have seen people being flashed within seconds of the M4 signs changing from NSL to 40.

I hate the way this country is going.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
what happens if the software cocks up and turns off the speed limit sign but the camera still thinks a lower speed active? (I know I need to get out more). How would you prove you weren't speeding?

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Then the photographic evidence will show no evidence of an enforced speed limit then.

Unless you're in excess of 70 (plus whatever-arbitrary-figure-popo-decide) then you should have more than reasonable grounds for overturning it.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrDonnyBrago wrote:
I ask because my wife claims to have seen people being flashed within seconds of the M4 signs changing from NSL to 40....

I'd imagine if you were very close or beneath the gantry when the sign/speed changed you'd be buggered (unless there's an inbuilt time delay of switching the cameras on of a few seconds?).
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
I'd imagine if you were very close or beneath the gantry when the sign/speed changed you'd be buggered (unless there's an inbuilt time delay of switching the cameras on of a few seconds?).


That is what I thought should happen, as it would be the fair and sensible thing to do....


EDIT:
Hmmm...


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/73052/response/188125/attach/4/4th%20Ed%20Speedmeter%20Handbook%20CIO%20low%20res.pdf

Quote:
5.9.4 Within a variable speed limit, the time shown in photographs shall be within 10 seconds of a broadcast radio clock signal. On power up, the speedmeter shall not commence enforcement until this synchronisation has been established. Enforcement shall stop whenever synchronisation is not maintained or is not confirmed with the radio clock within 14 days.



Supposed to be 10 secs grace then. Guess they could flash immediately but only be enforced if 10 s had elapsed.


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PostPosted: 16:27 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know about the M25, but if they're anything like the ones we have in Bristol on the M5 and M4 then they're concealed by the gantry itself. They've also been here a while, and are only active when they impose the variable speed limit.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article seems to be wrong at least in parts, the cameras I have seen have never been yellow on motorways. The ones that are being put on to the managed motorways are the new HADECS3
https://www.bannix.co.uk/images/friendly/cam01.jpg
To my mind they are easier to spot than the old ones in the gantry above each lane.
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

700 in 2 months? So around a dozen per day? Considering how many vehicles travel around the M25, that's a surprisingly low amount. Surely they can't be THAT well hidden if they're only catching one person out of thousands. Obviously certain times of day will catch more people, but even at those figures, it's unlikely that they're getting more than one every 20 minutes or so even at the most emphasised times for speeding.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
It's as though they want us to take our numberplates off.

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Or buy your vehicles abroad and keep the non UK plates on. Wink
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 15 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

liamwithers wrote:
700 in 2 months? So around a dozen per day? Considering how many vehicles travel around the M25, that's a surprisingly low amount. Surely they can't be THAT well hidden if they're only catching one person out of thousands. Obviously certain times of day will catch more people, but even at those figures, it's unlikely that they're getting more than one every 20 minutes or so even at the most emphasised times for speeding.


Up until now, I haven't been looking for them as have enough to look for trying to stay alive on the M25. Just another hazard to add to the list.

It does grate that speed cameras are prioritised over, say, trying to find the hit and runner who left my dad for dead, bleeding from a head wound. Having the registration of the individual concerned was no help to the police because they were too lazy to do anything about it.

Or the woman who hit and ran me at a set of lights whose reg I provided to the old bill.

However, finding new ways to catch speeders is an extremely high priority.

Just another annoyance.
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